Amongst other things the American/Israeli War of Agression on Iran makes this shit more likely, since in countries at war anybody who demonstrate against the authorities are easilly slandered as being traitors and if it’s a war that they didn’t start then the public opinion is far more likely to side with the Authorities.
According to the article the Court sentence came out now.
It makes sense that the regime there feels more emboldened to act in more hardline ways (such as giving the maximum possible sentence in this case) because right now they’re likely seen by most of the Iranian population as “protectors” against the two foreign regimes attacking Iran, both of which are far more murderous that even the regime in Iran at the peak of repression.
It’s the same reason why the most outrageous and intrusive civil society surveillance and control legislation in the US was passed in the period just after 9/11 - times when society at large feel under attack by external forces are ideal moments for those in control to extend and entrench their power and steer the country faster towards their views even if civil society is uncomfortable with it, not least because reasonable and logical criticism against it can easily be painted as being Against The Good Of The Nation and even as Treason.
Like most people, I do not support this war. However, a quick Google search will prove that this type of oppression of women is common in Iran, with or without America and Israel bombing them. Everything bad Iran does cannot be attributed to America and Israel.
Nope but articles like this coming out in greater amounts right now are intentionally being pushed out as propaganda to make people feel okay with America committing terrorist bombing campaigns against civilian targets.
While the content is true, the article itself is explicitly propaganda to justify terrorism.
Yes, I think this is true. I definitely remember news stories about how women were treated in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya before the US government invaded those countries.
My point was that we might want things to be wrapped up in nice packages like “Iran are the good guys and Israel are the bad guys” but that just isn’t how the world works. The comment I replied to was drawing a line from Israel and the US to Iran’s treatment of women and that’s just not what is happening here. I am against the unjust war but I am also against the oppressive treatment of women in countries like Iran. I realize that there are significant cultural differences between my country and theirs but when I read something like this I wonder what it’s like to be born into a system that won’t allow you to sing without wearing a hijab.
I got the impression that this specific case was much more outrageous than usual as she got the maximum sentence for it plus she was actually singing a patriotic song.
I’m well aware than treatment of women in present day Iran is seriously backwards and worse than anything since maybe the 18th century (Persia actually tended to be more modern than their neighbors).
You’re right on the aggregate, but Iran has been doing things like this for decades. Iran was moving in the right direction in the past 15 years but that development has been blocked and likely reversed now with the reformists losing all of their momentum and legitimacy, especially given this past year of war.
Or you know, when they had a fully democratic government before the US came in and installed the puppet Shah which led to the Islamic Revolution of 1979 and brought the fundamentalist government in power.
Iran’s democracy was toppled three times in the 20th century, each time with the British at the helm. The US kinda stole the coup from the British in 1953. What I mean is that this is not just history, it’s also what’s happening now. Iran was moving toward a much more progressive society and those efforts were again sabotaged by the West, not just the US but the West collectively.
On the way to Revolution, things typically get worse before they get better - as authoritarian governments start losing control of the street they invariably increase the intensity of their repression and that’s what trigger a similarly violent response from the population, i.e. the actual Revolution.
The American/Israeli War Of Agression almost certainly walked the whole process back, “wasting” the lives that were lost when the Iranian Government responded to the increased discontent with increase repression.
True, before there was no guarantee that what followed that increased repression was a the public responding by themselves increasing their actions against the government - as murderous government repression doesn’t always trigger a successful mass violent response from the population - now that will for certain not happen because even an oppressive regime is still a “protector” in the eyes of most of the locals when a bunch of murderous foreigners (and both the US and Israel are undeniably massively murderous towards muslims in the Middle East) attacks the nation, so even those in Iran who desire change have to keep their mouths shut since the majority don’t want to risk losing those who have “protected” them from the murderous foreigners.
Amongst other things the American/Israeli War of Agression on Iran makes this shit more likely, since in countries at war anybody who demonstrate against the authorities are easilly slandered as being traitors and if it’s a war that they didn’t start then the public opinion is far more likely to side with the Authorities.
according to the article the event in question took place in 2024 which was obviously before the war of israeli and american aggression began.
According to the article the Court sentence came out now.
It makes sense that the regime there feels more emboldened to act in more hardline ways (such as giving the maximum possible sentence in this case) because right now they’re likely seen by most of the Iranian population as “protectors” against the two foreign regimes attacking Iran, both of which are far more murderous that even the regime in Iran at the peak of repression.
It’s the same reason why the most outrageous and intrusive civil society surveillance and control legislation in the US was passed in the period just after 9/11 - times when society at large feel under attack by external forces are ideal moments for those in control to extend and entrench their power and steer the country faster towards their views even if civil society is uncomfortable with it, not least because reasonable and logical criticism against it can easily be painted as being Against The Good Of The Nation and even as Treason.
Like most people, I do not support this war. However, a quick Google search will prove that this type of oppression of women is common in Iran, with or without America and Israel bombing them. Everything bad Iran does cannot be attributed to America and Israel.
Nope but articles like this coming out in greater amounts right now are intentionally being pushed out as propaganda to make people feel okay with America committing terrorist bombing campaigns against civilian targets.
While the content is true, the article itself is explicitly propaganda to justify terrorism.
Yes, I think this is true. I definitely remember news stories about how women were treated in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya before the US government invaded those countries.
My point was that we might want things to be wrapped up in nice packages like “Iran are the good guys and Israel are the bad guys” but that just isn’t how the world works. The comment I replied to was drawing a line from Israel and the US to Iran’s treatment of women and that’s just not what is happening here. I am against the unjust war but I am also against the oppressive treatment of women in countries like Iran. I realize that there are significant cultural differences between my country and theirs but when I read something like this I wonder what it’s like to be born into a system that won’t allow you to sing without wearing a hijab.
I got the impression that this specific case was much more outrageous than usual as she got the maximum sentence for it plus she was actually singing a patriotic song.
I’m well aware than treatment of women in present day Iran is seriously backwards and worse than anything since maybe the 18th century (Persia actually tended to be more modern than their neighbors).
You’re right on the aggregate, but Iran has been doing things like this for decades. Iran was moving in the right direction in the past 15 years but that development has been blocked and likely reversed now with the reformists losing all of their momentum and legitimacy, especially given this past year of war.
Or you know, when they had a fully democratic government before the US came in and installed the puppet Shah which led to the Islamic Revolution of 1979 and brought the fundamentalist government in power.
Iran’s democracy was toppled three times in the 20th century, each time with the British at the helm. The US kinda stole the coup from the British in 1953. What I mean is that this is not just history, it’s also what’s happening now. Iran was moving toward a much more progressive society and those efforts were again sabotaged by the West, not just the US but the West collectively.
On the way to Revolution, things typically get worse before they get better - as authoritarian governments start losing control of the street they invariably increase the intensity of their repression and that’s what trigger a similarly violent response from the population, i.e. the actual Revolution.
The American/Israeli War Of Agression almost certainly walked the whole process back, “wasting” the lives that were lost when the Iranian Government responded to the increased discontent with increase repression.
True, before there was no guarantee that what followed that increased repression was a the public responding by themselves increasing their actions against the government - as murderous government repression doesn’t always trigger a successful mass violent response from the population - now that will for certain not happen because even an oppressive regime is still a “protector” in the eyes of most of the locals when a bunch of murderous foreigners (and both the US and Israel are undeniably massively murderous towards muslims in the Middle East) attacks the nation, so even those in Iran who desire change have to keep their mouths shut since the majority don’t want to risk losing those who have “protected” them from the murderous foreigners.