Chanting ‘from the river to the sea’ would be criminalised under proposed state law

  • kreskin@lemmy.world
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    17 hours ago

    German government seems to be as shamelessly bribed and corrupt as Americas.

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      17 hours ago

      When it comes to Israel, sort of.

      Germany is making extreme over-corrections for their past. Everything related to the two world wars and the role they played in it is subject to censorship and oversight, to a degree that’s almost comical if it weren’t real.

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        I was kinda for it, but with the dangerous rise in quasi-nazi party AfD, I wonder what’s the point of banning a nazi flag… and it’s even more ridiculous that foreign ethno religious supremacists enjoy that level of protection.

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        9 hours ago

        Maybe part of it but Maxwell and Epstein also operated in Europe. Germany has billionaires and easily compromised politicians.

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          7 hours ago

          They operated “in Europe” the same way Apple or Google does. They’re still subject to EU law, and while not infallible, Europe has shown it doesn’t just pave the way for oligarchy the same way the US does.

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            How much do you know about the Rothschilds and France?

            Yes a slightly harder target but those UK arrests were because they sold UK secrets and got publicly caught. Very little has been done. The couple emailing about hunting humans, they’re Rothschilds.

            Israel is still in Eurovision dude. You’re in a better position than Americans but don’t get complacent and start believing Israel and Russia weren’t actively competing for kompromat in your neck of the woods.

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              I know that the Rothschilds are a popular talking point for conspiracy nuts, and whenever I hear the name brought up I must prepare myself for some serious eye rolling exercises.

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                39 minutes ago

                Yeah. That’s what everyone I’ve told this to has said. Next is the part where you google it and read a few very short e-mails several times trying to find some other meaning than what it sounds like.

                Also Epstein seems to have regularly been introducing himself as the Rothschild’s money guy.

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        ONE MILLION Roma were murdered by the NAZIs during the Holocaust, alongside 3 million Jews.

        Notice how German politicians don’t “unwaveringly support” the Roma. In fact, they don’t even talk about them.

        The “change” in Germany after NAZIsm wasn’t the end of the idea that ethnicity defines how somebody should be treated or that some ethnicities are “good” and others are “bad”, it was merelly moving the Jewish People from the “bad” ethnicity to the “good” ethnicity column.

        A consistent and non-racist “correction” for Germany’s past would see all of the actual victims of NAZIsm and their descendants being compensated for it, be they Roma, Jews, Handicaped, Homosexuals, Communists or from any other group, and ONLY the victims, not this Racist bullshit of claiming that all individuals of an entire and very specific ethnicity are all deserving of support even though the vast majority of them are in no way form or shape related to the victims of the NAZIs except for being born in the same ethnicity, whilst not doing it for those from other equally targetted groups (something I emphasize because it really shows how even the supposed “making of amends” is done in a Racist way).

        This shit we see in Germany is not a genuine change from the way of thinking of the past, it’s just in the face of defeat doing the minimum required adjustment to the defeated political ideology to please the victors, which was moving a specific ethnicity which is influential in the main winner country of the war from untermenschen to ubermenschen, without doing it for any other targetted ethnicity, much less actually reforming the way of thinking about and acting towards people as “ethnics” that underpinned NAZIsm or even, as we see in this law, refuse to use force to silence dissenting opinions.

        The “change” in Germany is mainly changing the façade, not at all the foundations - i.e. image management, not reform - hence how right now the open racism of “unwaveringly supporting” a genocidal nation with no other reason than the dominant ethnicity there and the choice of using force against those who disagree such as this law are right alongside:

        Everything related to the two world wars and the role they played in it is subject to censorship and oversight, to a degree that’s almost comical if it weren’t real.

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        3 hours ago

        Tattorack, thats a theory that night be true-- do you have any data to show us that helps prove its accurate?

        • Tattorack@lemmy.world
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          7 hours ago

          That’s not so much a theory as it’s just observing what Germany is doing.

          They have strict rules on portrayals of Nazis and Nazi symbols that lead them to censor movies, games, comics, and other media. Examples of this include Indiana Jones or Wolfenstein.

          The education system is very strict and specific about what it can talk about concerning the world wars and Germany. If you want detailed explanations, I have a few German friends I could ask directly.

          I could also ask them to explain how often Germany paid Israel for WWII reperations and how WWII shaped all rhetoric involving Jews.