Trump administration has riled head of Catholic church over use of theology to justify conflict in Iran

The contrast in experience between the two men disagreeing over war and theology was striking.

On the one side was Pope Leo XIV, the first North American to head the Catholic church and the first cleric from the Augustinian order, who this week visited the modern Algerian city where Saint Augustine once lived. For Leo, who wrote his doctoral thesis on Augustine’s ideas, it was the culmination of a lifelong intellectual interest.

On the other, the US vice-president, JD Vance, a very recent adult convert to Catholicism with no academic background in the history of the church’s thinking.

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    18 hours ago

    I still don’t get why Pakistan/China/russia/India nearby are so chill with Iran having nukes if they really were going towards that…

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      7 hours ago

      Everybody’s got nukes these days, that isn’t really even the issue. The issue is the Conservative Propaganda Machine has convinced everybody that the very second that Iran has an operational nuclear weapon, they are going to launch a hundred of them and instantly destroy the entire world, and since they get high on their own supply, they’ve convinced themselves most of all.

      In reality, Iran would do what everyone has done once they’ve gotten their hands on a Nuke - they use it to demonstrate that they deserve a seat at the big table, where they can influence international geopolitics.

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      For one, all these countries have their own nukes which cancels out their nukes. Ever heard of MAD?? Also, Russia is a close ally with Iran and that alone makes them very chill with each other.

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        I don’t see anyone in the EU cheering for polish/ukrainian nukes or the same for Japan/SKorea, etc. MAD is not obvious in a multipolar world and alliances can shift quickly. E.g. China does not trust theocrats.

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          If Ukraine had kept their nukes, the war would have never happened to begin with… When countries give up nukes or nuke programs, they get invaded. Simple as that.

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            It’s not that simple, but generally I agree that Ukraine needs nukes. But you can’t have every country and their grandma rushing to nukes simply to ensure their sovereignty. You need blocks and sharing umbrellas at best, otherwise there are too many points of failure in a network of deterrence that it is inevitable that one careless or mistaken shot triggers full armageddon in 30 minutes.

            PS: I’d suggest one nuke permit per civ/continent/trade block eg USA+partners, EU++, russia+whatever, China+partners, India, Pakistan++, African Union, Latin America, Indonesia?, Iran++?, Arab Countries?, Australia…starting to get messy now… The only problem left to solve here is the borders of the blocks and how countries decide to move from one block to the other eg Ukraine, Brexit, Mexico, Egypt, Turkey, etc.