• balsoft@lemmy.ml
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    18 hours ago

    Iran not getting nukes ensures that this war will happen again too. The only ways to keep sovereignty in the face of imperialists are:

    1. Be economically irrelevant (a-la Cuba)
    2. Kick their ass in a land war so hard that they are scared to even try (a-la Vietnam)
    3. Have nukes (a-la North Korea)

    If you don’t have any of those three you’re bound to be coup’d by US-backed fascists at some point, see: history of South America and West Asia.

    Iran has oil and control over the straight of Hormuz, so (1) is out of the question. (2) is more likely but I’m not sure if the US leadership is dumb enough yet to just go head first into another land war in asia, and in any case this would lead to hundreds of thousands of dead civilians. This leaves us with (3) as the most viable strategy.

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      12 hours ago

      north korea has CHina to help them shield them from the west. also western countries dont seem keen on attacking asian countries, probably because most of our PRODUCTS come form asia.

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      18 hours ago

      And the moment they have a nuke and show it off, all hell will break loose. So unless they pull back from Hormuz and cede it either to a US-led coalition or somehow draw the USA into a land war, it will happen again and it will happen again soon.

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        7 hours ago

        And the moment they have a nuke and show it off, all hell will break loose

        As you can see, all hell has been broken loose for them already even though they don’t have nukes and weren’t planning on making them. I think it’s time they armed themselves against the aggressors, with the only weapon those aggressors actually fear.

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        17 hours ago

        The moment Iran shows they have a nuke, the US will enter peace talks and Israel will be forced by the US to stop its imperialist expansion and terror campaigns.

        The reason Pakistan isn’t a smoldering crater is because they have nukes. The reason India is only loosely used as slave labor by the US instead of directly is because they have a nuke. The reason Korea isn’t fully occupied is because they have a Nuke.

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          17 hours ago

          When we had leaders who understood and valued soft power, sure. But that isn’t the way the USA is operating at this moment. Those other nations aren’t in the condition they’re in because of their nukes, it’s because it’s more profitable to keep things as they are.

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            7 hours ago

            Nukes are the epitome of hard power tho. There is very little need to understand anything apart from “if I bomb that country, they nuke me (or, in this case, israel)”. I’m sure the financial markets would not appreciate a nuclear war either, so the profit incentive is there too.