• x0x7@lemmy.world
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      6 hours ago

      Also because it’s obvious and saying it only fans more flames for WWIII. We’re having a hard enough time preventing it with Israel actively trying to derail any attempts at peace. It took long enough to get Trump even pushing in that direction. It will take a miracle for him to not get distracted. The last thing we need is to make this an open contest between world powers and double down on this mess.

      But Zelenski doesn’t care. He’ll fan whatever flames if it help him with his conflict. This is the problem with having all these proxy countries associated with you. They don’t always have your exact same strategic priorities or alignment with your goals. Our goal should be to get the US out of war. And both of these countries (Ukraine and Israel) want us in.

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        5 hours ago

        Our goal should be to get the US out of war.

        The current war of aggression against Iran, sure. But not avoiding war unconditionally, no. The US could, for example, stay out of war by selling out Ukraine and rewarding Russian imperialism. But that would mean creating a precedent that the US capitulates and sells out its allies anytime someone else rattles their sabre. That’s a path that doesn’t lead to peace. It leads to servitude, and to rewarding whoever’s the most flagrant warmonger.

        But Zelenski doesn’t care. He’ll fan whatever flames if it help him with his conflict.

        The desired end state of that conflict, for Ukraine, is Russians out of Ukraine and no more attacks against civilians and civilian infrastructure. At that point, no more conflict. But ending it now on unfacorable terms for Ukraine means we’ll get a refugee crisis, the systematic destruction of Ukrainian national identity, massacres, and further Russian aggression as Putin turns his attention to the Baltics or Poland. Neither is a good choice. But one is far less bad than the other.

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        16 hours ago

        I’m not so sure the US was a proper ally of Europe (there has long been overt talk in the US about Europe as a competitor and a lot of effort from US sources to try and weaken the EU with for example funding campaigning for Brexit) but I do believe that before Trump the US was an ally of Ukraine.