I started vaping 15 years ago, and I have researched the issue intensively. So no this is not misinformation, you are the one that is uninformed. The number of obviously flawed studies on e-cigs is insane.
It is also funny how you completely fail to show anything wrong with my post, but just make a blanket statement without any real argument.
You are awful defensive in the rest of this thread with people who are providing sources. Would sources even change your mind? Bcz i dont think they would.
Have you researched the issue recently. Because some of the stuff you said was stuff I read about when I started vaping like 10 years ago. Like the stuff about it being too hot. Its something I see repeated a lot by people who dont want to see reality.
Yes, a study, many years ago, did that. But did this study do that? You cant keep trotting that line out and expect it to stay relevant.
Ive stopped vaping as of last year, but it was obvious to me the flavour compounds were a complete unknown.
If you think that was the only fake study you are wrong. There was also a study where they measured the formaldehyde using a test person, in a closed room.
Lo and behold they found formaldehyde, and the press spread the news like rabid dogs.
The problem was that we exhale formaldehyde naturally, and the level of formaldehyde measured was consistent with a person NOT vaping.
But did this study do that?
Most probably, because as I state there have been numerous studies that show no formaldehyde. These fake studies are made to push an agenda.
Ive stopped vaping as of last year
Good for you, I also stopped about 5 years ago, something I was unable to without the e-cig.
it was obvious to me the flavour compounds were a complete unknown.
Not complete, they are used in professional kitchens and industries, where people have been exposed for many decades. The chemical nature is also known and is deemed safe.
You can also vape without flavor, which I did for about a year before quitting, the taste is actually quite nice IMO even without flavor.
But I must admit I can still miss the taste of a good RY4 despite I’m 100% off the nicotine.
There is no source to the study, the link doesn’t work.
Also even if I read the study, it is not a sure thing that their mistake is obvious, and I’ve seen dozens of studies that were done correctly that show there are no known carcinogens in the vapor of e-cigs.
Or rather the ones that are detected are way less than 1% of a cigarette, which means vaping similar to smoking 20 cigarettes per day, will expose you to the equivalent of 0.2 cigarette. The biggest number being the formaldehyde we exhale naturally.
So please just piss off with you knee jerk ignorance.
I’ve studied the issue plenty, I don’t need to read yet another flawed study, I’ve seen plenty of those already.
Here’s the link in the article, that you said you couldn’t find.
Look i see what you are doing. You half read a few studies 10 years ago now recent science is beneath you. Its obvious, and I want you to know its obvious.
Weird since no major carcinogens are present, why do you think this image with no source and no reference to the actual findings is worth more than the plethora of studies that showed no carcinogens both before e-cigs was a thing, and in the early days of e-cig.?
What exactly are those early signs? Being alive maybe? This is not a link to an actual research paper, this is just bullshit, come back when you have a link to the actual study.
I’ve read dozens of actual studies, and I have (mostly) learned how to read them, and acknowledge when there are things that are beyond the scope of my knowledge because I don’t have a 5-7 year education on the issue. And then I search for info on those issues.
Really Ḯve spend hundreds of hours investigating this thoroughly, and I am an educated guy, the snippet you show is only evidence to me of low info reaction.
The part about inflammation is especially weird since PG, a common basis of e-juice is PROVEN to be anti inflammatory. DNA damage begin to happen from the day we are born, so without qualification that statement while obviously true, is equally obviously worthless.
I wonder if you have any actual knowledge on the subject whatsoever, because you act like one of the unknowing sheep this may very well be supposed to target.
Are you actually reading my messages or just getting a vibe and running with it or what? That picture wasn’t meant to be scientific evidence it was simply to demonstrate the falseness of your point about the actual scientific paper not being linked in the article.
I can tell you are defensive about being treated as stupid which isnt what time trying to do. Actually read what my comments say please.
OK so where is the actual scientific paper?
I don̈́t really care that much about journalistic interpretation, because their knowledge is generally sub par, and their reporting sometimes even decidedly misrepresentative.
I’d much rather read the actual paper. I have even seen papers where the conclusion is contradictory to their own results in their research!!! Which to me indicate a paid for conclusion.
I started vaping 15 years ago, and I have researched the issue intensively. So no this is not misinformation, you are the one that is uninformed. The number of obviously flawed studies on e-cigs is insane.
It is also funny how you completely fail to show anything wrong with my post, but just make a blanket statement without any real argument.
You are awful defensive in the rest of this thread with people who are providing sources. Would sources even change your mind? Bcz i dont think they would.
What the fuck? What sources? I think you are imagining things.
Have you researched the issue recently. Because some of the stuff you said was stuff I read about when I started vaping like 10 years ago. Like the stuff about it being too hot. Its something I see repeated a lot by people who dont want to see reality.
Yes, a study, many years ago, did that. But did this study do that? You cant keep trotting that line out and expect it to stay relevant.
Ive stopped vaping as of last year, but it was obvious to me the flavour compounds were a complete unknown.
If you think that was the only fake study you are wrong. There was also a study where they measured the formaldehyde using a test person, in a closed room.
Lo and behold they found formaldehyde, and the press spread the news like rabid dogs.
The problem was that we exhale formaldehyde naturally, and the level of formaldehyde measured was consistent with a person NOT vaping.
Most probably, because as I state there have been numerous studies that show no formaldehyde. These fake studies are made to push an agenda.
Good for you, I also stopped about 5 years ago, something I was unable to without the e-cig.
Not complete, they are used in professional kitchens and industries, where people have been exposed for many decades. The chemical nature is also known and is deemed safe.
You can also vape without flavor, which I did for about a year before quitting, the taste is actually quite nice IMO even without flavor.
But I must admit I can still miss the taste of a good RY4 despite I’m 100% off the nicotine.
Can you not see how biased and untrustworthy you sound? You effectively admitted to not even reading this study.
There is no source to the study, the link doesn’t work.
Also even if I read the study, it is not a sure thing that their mistake is obvious, and I’ve seen dozens of studies that were done correctly that show there are no known carcinogens in the vapor of e-cigs.
Or rather the ones that are detected are way less than 1% of a cigarette, which means vaping similar to smoking 20 cigarettes per day, will expose you to the equivalent of 0.2 cigarette. The biggest number being the formaldehyde we exhale naturally.
So please just piss off with you knee jerk ignorance.
I’ve studied the issue plenty, I don’t need to read yet another flawed study, I’ve seen plenty of those already.
Here’s the link in the article, that you said you couldn’t find.
Look i see what you are doing. You half read a few studies 10 years ago now recent science is beneath you. Its obvious, and I want you to know its obvious.
Weird since no major carcinogens are present, why do you think this image with no source and no reference to the actual findings is worth more than the plethora of studies that showed no carcinogens both before e-cigs was a thing, and in the early days of e-cig.?
What exactly are those early signs? Being alive maybe? This is not a link to an actual research paper, this is just bullshit, come back when you have a link to the actual study.
I’ve read dozens of actual studies, and I have (mostly) learned how to read them, and acknowledge when there are things that are beyond the scope of my knowledge because I don’t have a 5-7 year education on the issue. And then I search for info on those issues.
Really Ḯve spend hundreds of hours investigating this thoroughly, and I am an educated guy, the snippet you show is only evidence to me of low info reaction.
The part about inflammation is especially weird since PG, a common basis of e-juice is PROVEN to be anti inflammatory. DNA damage begin to happen from the day we are born, so without qualification that statement while obviously true, is equally obviously worthless.
I wonder if you have any actual knowledge on the subject whatsoever, because you act like one of the unknowing sheep this may very well be supposed to target.
Are you actually reading my messages or just getting a vibe and running with it or what? That picture wasn’t meant to be scientific evidence it was simply to demonstrate the falseness of your point about the actual scientific paper not being linked in the article.
I can tell you are defensive about being treated as stupid which isnt what time trying to do. Actually read what my comments say please.
OK so where is the actual scientific paper?
I don̈́t really care that much about journalistic interpretation, because their knowledge is generally sub par, and their reporting sometimes even decidedly misrepresentative.
I’d much rather read the actual paper. I have even seen papers where the conclusion is contradictory to their own results in their research!!! Which to me indicate a paid for conclusion.