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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/62192988

The latest changes implemented in the Systemd repo, related to or prompted by age-verification laws, have made many people unhappy (I suppose links about this aren’t necessary). This has led to a surge in Systemd forks during the last days (“surge” because there have always been plenty of forks). Here are some forks that explicitly mention those changes as their reason for forking (rough time ordering taken from the fork page):

Hopefully the energy of this reaction won’t be scattered among too many alternatives, although some amount of scattering is always good.

  • Eldritch@piefed.worldEnglish
    3110·
    11 hours ago

    The reaction by definition is unproductive. I think Brodie Robertson did a good job covering this the other day.

    It’s literally an addition of an optional text field in a collection of already optional and often unfilled text fields. In a small part of the systemD suite. UserD, with no checking or enforcement. Which has value in business and corporate environments. In the form of a pull request from an external, unaffiliated coder.

    Regardless of where you stand on metas push for age-gating everything so they don’t have to. Which if you aren’t against it, you’re a fool. This is all way more reactionary and less substantive than the valid sysV vs systemD debate.

    • xyro@lemmy.caEnglish
      3·
      6 hours ago

      While we’re at it, we could add a race and sexual orientation field, this could have value for business in some countries!

    • ryper@lemmy.caEnglish
      123·
      10 hours ago

      I wonder how many people freaking out over this field have even looked at what other fields are on that user record. The realName field could be used to dox you! ICE and the CIA are interested in your location! Those fields have about the same level of enforcement as the new one, i.e. you can just lie.

  • NaibofTabr@infosec.pubEnglish
    151·
    12 hours ago

    Hopefully the energy of this reaction won’t be scattered among too many alternatives, although some amount of scattering is always good.

    It’s traditional:

  • Matt The Horwood@lemmy.horwood.cloudEnglish
    63·
    10 hours ago

    Wait wait wait, your telling me that systems has a user thing to log user data?

    Where does systemd start and end? As it looks to be way too invasive

  • Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafeEnglish
    1020·
    12 hours ago

    Womp Womp.

    What did they expect would happen?

    I can only hope this ends up with the original simply being left to rot.

      • Eldritch@piefed.worldEnglish
        216·
        11 hours ago

        Nope. No one did. It’s all drama farming and ignorant apoplectic panic. I’d absolutely be interested to know more about the person behind the merge request. Apparently they have submitted similar code to several other projects for the same purpose. But it’s just fashionable to hate on systemD right now. At least the sysV vs systemD guys have valid issues. Even though as a 30-year Linux user, I wouldn’t go back to sysV inits. I do not miss having to use poorly documented or outright undocumented tricks, tips, and arcana to write basic process watchdogs and initialization scripts.

        • Hiro8811@lemmy.worldEnglish
          51·
          10 hours ago

          It’s hard enough for maintainers and devs to fight ai and governments. If you wanna go against someone go against corpos and government not people doing their hobbies.

          • Eldritch@piefed.worldEnglish
            8·
            10 hours ago

            Yes, time and effort would be infinitely better spent yelling at the local and national governments pushing for this to be implemented at the behest of meta. Than outrage of an optional text field.

      • org@lemmy.orgEnglish
        22·
        10 hours ago

        We should have them add ss# too, since it’s non-privileged. What could go wrong?

        • death_to_carrots@feddit.orgEnglish
          51·
          10 hours ago

          What could go wrong if in your system there exists a standard place where you could put some magic string?

          Remember, no one is forcing you to put the magic string in.

          • org@lemmy.orgEnglish
            4·
            10 hours ago

            No one is forcing the magic string YET. But to think some governments won’t enforce that later is contrary to reality. The direction of the world is very clear…

        • yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
          2·
          10 hours ago

          That’s not a thing in like every single country. Might as well add a “Name of the Chinese primary school you graduated from” field, at least that would have more users.

          • org@lemmy.orgEnglish
            24·
            10 hours ago

            Whatever you wanna call it. Let’s add that. Gender, gender between your legs, marriage status, race is also super important.

            It’s just a field… so why not?