Bro needs a vest that fits
Who could have foreseen the consequences of associating all Judaism with Isreal?! Maybe our rhetoric is costing innocent lives?
Nah let’s use this as a justification to escalate.
And literally making their synagogue named Israel…
crashed his car into Temple Israel outside Detroit on Thursday afternoon,
A lot of "Temple Israel"s are older than the state of Israel
That maybe but they’re fully for Israel to the point of doing hasbara for them, and proudly using pragerU videos to do it.
I know people, here in Lebanon, with the last name Israel, who are older than the terrorist state.
Maybe more people here would be accepting of Jewish people if the only Jewish people they ever met hadn’t been soldiers at checkpoints in the 1980s pointing guns at their faces.
The rhetoric costing lives is part of the intent. As lives are lost and Jewish diaspora feels less and less safe, the incentive to resettle in Israel grows.
E: Actually looking at their web, maybe not so prog.
Stop being so antisemitic!!!
Dayum, their website is pro-Israel as F:
https://www.temple-israel.org/israel
https://web.archive.org/web/20260212002400/www.temple-israel.org/israel
Did he do his research to pick the most-closely-affiliated facility with the people who murdered his family he could get to?
No way they put PragerU propaganda videos convincing that Israel is not an apartheid state.
prageru is likely funded by AIPAC/or thier backers.
America creates terrorists and profits from it.
I often feel conflicted about things like this. On the one hand, I want some consequences for the actions of the country that dropped the bomb. But this church didn’t do that. The religion didn’t do it either. But it was called the temple of Isreal. So it kind of set itself up to be a representation of the country. So there is a window. That said… the attack was on the school, so kids. Thats just no okay no matter what. If anything was on the table it would be the administration maybe. But I have a dislike for administraion in general, so maybe I’m biased there.
Attacking an American synagogue will only drum up more support for the ongoing genocide and war.
Also, the word “Israel” predates the “State of Israel”. It is also a common first and last name in the Jewish world. “Beth Israel” means “House of Israel” or “Israel House”, its not really grammatically sound so it can go either way.
His family was wiped out, and they weren’t legitimate military targets, so why should he be concerned about that?
That’s the problem when moronic politicians decide to prove to the world that they don’t really have a tiny dick, and start indiscriminately bombing innocent people. Eventually someone is going to shoot back, and they aren’t going to be any more discerning about their targets than the tiny dick politicians were.
Attacking synagogues in the US does nothing whatsoever to the government of Israel, so no reason to feel conflicted. It’s just plain bad.
Government of Israel is not going to the synagogue in the US, but AIPAC is. I’m not endorsing attacking them though.
and thier supporters that arnt directly tied to AIPAC.
A lot of American Jews are rooting for Israel and America to bomb any Muslims, for any reason, and Muslims aren’t stupid, they know that. It’s hard to get the Military’s attention, but if you can get the attention of their supporters, maybe they’ll start screaming to their politicians, who will reign in the military.
Or maybe it’s just straight up revenge. As long as you keep killing my innocent family, I’ll keep killing yours. It’s hard to argue with that logic.
It’s easy to argue with it – “an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind,” and all that – but it’s hard not to sympathize with it.
It is very easy to NOT sympathize with someone’s plan to blow up children, if you’re not a psychopath.
Exactly. The mans actions are understandable and reprehensible at the same time.
You don’t have to celebrate his actions, but you can understand them.
If someone wantonly murdered your entire family, chances are the next actions you would take would not be rational.
To me, that feel extremely rational.
I want them dead. I kill them. Now they’re dead.
Simple logic.
You need to learn what words mean.
Because, emotionally driven reactions that have zero actual connection to the inciting even is not rational in anyway.
The new guy who just took over as Iran’s Supreme Leader, got the job because his father was killed in the first rocket strikes. How do you think he’s going to feel about having any kind of good faith negotiations with IsrAmerica?
Now consider that he also lost his mother, his wife, and his daughter. His entire family. And he’s not alone. He knows LOTS of people in his close personal, business, and political life who suffered similar losses - those that lived through it, that is.
Trump got rid of the last guy, and got THIS guy instead, and made America his sworn enemy. And he’s only 56 years old, with lots of life ahead of him. Who can possibly blame him if he dedicates the rest of his life to getting revenge on his, his friends,’ and his nation’s behalf?
I’m not sure my point got across. I wasn’t trying to blame anybody; I was just trying to make a distinction between a logical argument and an emotional one.
No, I get it, and I appreciate you making the distinction. I was just expanding on the point that this guy has plenty of reason to strike back, and is almost certainly going to.
And when it happens, there will be a huge cry to demonize those who struck us, when we know damn well we deserve every bit of it.
Because ultimately, the overriding concept is that they aren’t really human like us, so it doesn’t matter if we blow up their innocent children and families over…who knows, The Rapture? OTOH, the entire world should be worshipping America, by bowing to our Supreme Leader, no matter how much he beats you and kills your families, and they have no right to be angry in return at our AMERICAN MIGHT.
Oh, yeah, and they have oil we can steal. And The Rapture.
I was just expanding on the point that this guy has plenty of reason to strike back, and is almost certainly going to.
Sure, there’s every reason for him to want to strike back.
However, I disagree that that means he’s likely to do it. It’s kinda like Zelensky: he’d be entirely justified in telling both Putin and Trump to go fuck themselves, but he won’t do the latter because the US’ half-assed support is still better than Trump fully switching sides.
I expect Iran’s leader to suck it up and do what’s best for Iran in a realpolitik sense, not engage in suicidal total war just because Trump’s America deserves it.
Idk man, I really hate what US Christians are doing right now, but I don’t think shooting up a random church is going to fix anything. If this shithead wanted to take out his sorrow on someone, he should have headed to DC to attack someone actually culpable.
No one gave a shit that his family were innocent bystanders. Why should he care that these victims were. The people making the decisions are wrapped in layers of security. These people are why they have the power to make those decisions.
I’m not defending violence, but it does make more sense than you give it credit for. In the end violence will only breed more violence, but when your reason to care is gone, when justice is never coming for the guilty, people will take their vengeance out wherever they can reach.
I’m not defending violence
But you literally are, though.
No, I’m saying it’s rational. I’m not suggesting it’s right. It doesn’t solve anything, killing more people won’t bring his family back and ultimately will only justify more violence. It’s an embrace of nihilism by someone who has nothing left to care about but petty vengeance.
What I’m saying is, if you start from the assumption nothing matters, then it is perfectly reasonable. I reject the premise, but the conclusion is logical for someone who doesn’t. Strip a person of everything that matters to them, and they have no reason not to seek the cold comfort of vengeance against whomever they can access.
It’s quite literally NOT RATIONAL to attack other Innocents for revenge of the death of Innocents.
The conflict comes because we’re comparing two different forms of evil. All we can really do is observe and take notes for the history books
Just look at the slob front center. Damn
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Did you roll over and decide to be a piece of shit today, or are you always like this?
Those American children were not responsible for the Israeli governments atrocities.
Difficult to understand perhaps but the dude is right
It is logical. Not a question of deserving at all, nobody stated that. In fact by implying such an emotionally charged veiled accusation during this time of conflict you feel like an agent of some security force to me already, be it conesentual or not.
It’s all about framing and perspective. Zooming in on the individuals will offer perspective from the bottom, but zooming out to your shared responsibilities as a community within your own political climate I am personally surprised not more blood has been shed years ago already
Wtf are you babbling about?
He said : “wish they had succeeded”…in reference to someone attempting to bomb a fucking religious building full of children. There was nothing else. No “hard to understand”. It was purely violent shittiness. There’s no framing or perspective that makes that suddenly okay. There’s no logic there at all.
The guy wished children had died. And you’re trying to defend him. So fuck you too.
I thought we were still referencing GreenBeard @lemmy.ca there, might have been smart to not say “the guy” in my comment
You have every right to be angry, I am too
You need to learn how threads work. This was a top level comment I replied to. Whoever you’re talking about is not even in this particular discussion
I know how threads work. I’m coming off a harsh week and my brain is foggy. You need to know when to concede and stop being contrarian.
Me too though. I get emotional and swear and people get scared and go back into their bubbles
Why is there not mass riots in many countries ffs
Oh fuck you
