• ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
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    5 days ago

    The point is that Putin does not control Trump. Putin likes Trump and is willing to help him where there’s no conflict with Trump’s interests but Putin doesn’t have to allow Trump to do things.

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      Putin likes Trump and is willing to help him where there’s no conflict

      You see the problem there? That’s exactly the problem, because Trump helps Putin over and over again, where there are HUGE conflicts with American interests. While Putin has never compromised anything for Trump. It’s a 100% one way relationship, that has ONLY helped Putin. In that relationship everything Putin does serves Putin alone, everything Trump does also helps Putin.

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        Clearly not everything Trump does helps Putin. Attacking Venezuela and Iran does not help Putin at all. You’re confusing American interests with Trump’s interests. I specifically said that Trump is willing to help Putin as long as it doesn’t impact Trump’s interests. Trump will sacrifice Americans for Putin any day but he will not sacrifice his money.

        So as I said: Trump likes Putin and is willing to help him but Putin does not control him.

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          So as I said: Trump likes Putin and is willing to help him but Putin does not control him.

          That is a form of control, so what we are debating is only degrees, not whether Putin is a significant influence on Trump.

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            Yes, that’s why we’re saying you’re overestimating this influence. Putin can influence Trump but Israel has much more influence. Putin didn’t allow Trump to attack Iran. He wasn’t asked at all.

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              I think he was, I still think the Steel dossier was correct, that Putin has something on Trump, that he cannot allow to be revealed.
              Since we know Epstein worked for Russia, the most obvious suspicion is that Putin has tapes with Trump being “together” with minors.
              Trump has most certainly been acting that way for many years now. Including his entire first term presidency, and also the past year withdrawing all aid from Ukraine. Clearly against traditional American interests, and interests of many USA allies.