[All these points apply to sex and to gender, so for ease of reading, I’ll just discuss gender]

Gender-exclusive groups are common in many societies, such as men-only and women-only social clubs and casual activity groups like a men’s bowling group or a women’s reading circle.

Sometimes this is de-facto, but sometimes this is enforced by rules or expectations, treating the club as a safe space for airing issues people have with other genders, or avoiding perceived problems with other genders.


I came across this old comment in a garbage subreddit by accident when researching. The topic is Men’s Sheds:

“Here’s the thing. No reasonable person has an issue with women having their own women’s activity groups. The annoying part is that whenever men try to do something similar, that’s a problem. Women either want them banished or demand entry, EVERY time.”

I think their claim is nonsense, grossly exaggerated at best. I also know of many counterexamples of men trying to get into women-only groups (as an extreme case, the Ladies Lounge of the Mona art gallery in Australia was taken to court for sex discrimination, with the creator claiming they would circumvent the ruling by installing a toilet). But nonetheless, I can understand why they feel this way, patriarchal social relations change how most people see men-exclusive spaces vs. women-exclusive spaces.

But my response to their claim is that, I am reasonable and I do have an issue with any group setting up places which discriminate based on gender. These safe places can form as a legitimate rudimentary form of protection, yes, but they maintain and often even promote sexism, and should all be challenged and turned into something better which serves the same purpose.

Of course, I’m limited by my own experiences and perspective, so I’d love to hear your opinions on the topic.


Bonus video: Why Do Conservative Shows All Look the Same? | Renegade Cut - a discussion about fake man-caves and sexism.

  • yermaw@sh.itjust.works
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    23 hours ago

    I would enjoy some male-only spaces. I used to play an MMO game and we all got on great in our guild, right up until a woman joined. Suddenly the banter started having edges to it, people were putting eachother down to try and gain status to/for the woman.

    Not in any way her fault, she wasnt playing favourites or flirting or teasing anyone, she was just playing the game like everyone else, but the vibes starting turning.i didnt enjoy that.

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      22 hours ago

      I’m not gonna have an opinion, but I’d like to say that it sounds harsh to exclude someone based on other people being weird, no?

      I don’t know if you need a male-only space or a normal-person space (probably the latter).

      That being said, I could maybe see how people may not want to make certain jokes in front of certain people, but if youre just having fun and youre not racist or something um idk

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        21 hours ago

        It is harsh, but its incredibly similar to the OP issue. Just in my day-dreamed space it would be women getting excluded because some men cant behave, rather than men being excluded because some men cant behave.