It’s two different things being argued about: the legal term “hacking” vs the every day language term, which I believe implies something more specific than “unauthorized access”, something where technical or social skills were used to gain that access.
That’s the parallel I was trying to draw by mentioning the word “hotwiring” instead of “stealing”. It would be like if the legal term for stealing a car was “hotwiring”.
That said, I did see that the OP of this tangent is actually trying to argue the “this isn’t illegal” angle rather than the difference between legal terms and broader language terms.
I agree this falls under the legal definition of hacking, but I also agree with those basically saying that this falls outside of the way they think the term should be used. It waters down its meaning.
Look, I’m not arguing about whether this is illegal or not. I’m arguing about the literal definition of the term “hacking”.
It’s just like walking into a strangers house without permission where the door is wide open is technically illegal, but it can’t qualify as “breaking and entering”.
I agree with what you said. This also wasn’t social engineering. The password was just there and available.
Also, the excellent and amazing movie Hackers features plenty of social engineering.
Also, I didn’t say “excellent” and “amazing” sarcastically. It really is an under rated movie.
It was there, doesn’t mean it was for you. If you found a car with the keys in it, would you steal it or realize you shouldn’t do that?
Yeah but if I did, no one would say I hotwired the car.
Its still grand theft, hotwired or keys. That’s the whole point 😅
It’s two different things being argued about: the legal term “hacking” vs the every day language term, which I believe implies something more specific than “unauthorized access”, something where technical or social skills were used to gain that access.
That’s the parallel I was trying to draw by mentioning the word “hotwiring” instead of “stealing”. It would be like if the legal term for stealing a car was “hotwiring”.
That said, I did see that the OP of this tangent is actually trying to argue the “this isn’t illegal” angle rather than the difference between legal terms and broader language terms.
I agree this falls under the legal definition of hacking, but I also agree with those basically saying that this falls outside of the way they think the term should be used. It waters down its meaning.
Look, I’m not arguing about whether this is illegal or not. I’m arguing about the literal definition of the term “hacking”.
It’s just like walking into a strangers house without permission where the door is wide open is technically illegal, but it can’t qualify as “breaking and entering”.
Is it a nice car?