Based on that response, it seems to me that you are claiming that your knowledge and understanding of the Qur’an is in fact infallible and prophetic.
I am in no way saying “the thing cannot be said,” I am saying that I agree with both perspectives equally. I believe that murder is wrong and that saving people’s lives is just, but when those two options are in conflict there is no objectively correct answer. The fact that who is on either side of the track results in potentially different answers proves that no choice is always morally correct, in my opinion.
Stress testing the framework is where philosophy is the most interesting in my opinion. There are many parables in God’s word, and these stories also make us consider morality and truth, and in many ways stress test the framework.
No, no it isn’t, but God is the Merciful, the All-Knower, the Pardoner (Qur’anic epithets for God) so I’m just following from there. And you’d have to express what “the other perspective” is because up until now it’s only been mine in display, haha. I think we call this “fence sitting”? And who’s on the track doesn’t prove that there’s not an objectively morally best decision, it just speaks about our shortcomings and our bias, which of course are undeniable. I even expressed how I might fail (if it’s my kid, I’m most likely rescuing him, yeah) at doing the right thing, but that’s because I recognise there was a right thing to do, and may God forgive me. Anyway, it doesn’t seem like we’ll come to a deeper agreement… but it’s been a very nice conversation, at least for me, and I hope you felt the same way. 👍
I feel like I have been expressing the other perspective in great detail, but I also don’t feel like you have meaningfully engaged with that perspective and have instead focused on my personal beliefs. Perhaps that’s an effort to protect your own beliefs, for fear that such engagement might cause you to question things that you consider fundamental to your understanding of the world and your self identity. I can’t say for sure, but I can say that I have personally been in that position and felt that way.
Even if we assume that there is an objectively moral decision in this scenario, we can never know with absolute certainty without asking God directly. Even the wisest scholars of what we do have of God’s word disagree on its interpretation, which leaves humanity with a lot of ambiguity.
I always enjoy discussing philosophy, and agree that this has been an enjoyable discussion. I wish you well, I hope you have a wonderful day, and I hope to engage in similarly enjoyable conversations with you again in the future.
Based on that response, it seems to me that you are claiming that your knowledge and understanding of the Qur’an is in fact infallible and prophetic.
I am in no way saying “the thing cannot be said,” I am saying that I agree with both perspectives equally. I believe that murder is wrong and that saving people’s lives is just, but when those two options are in conflict there is no objectively correct answer. The fact that who is on either side of the track results in potentially different answers proves that no choice is always morally correct, in my opinion.
Stress testing the framework is where philosophy is the most interesting in my opinion. There are many parables in God’s word, and these stories also make us consider morality and truth, and in many ways stress test the framework.
No, no it isn’t, but God is the Merciful, the All-Knower, the Pardoner (Qur’anic epithets for God) so I’m just following from there. And you’d have to express what “the other perspective” is because up until now it’s only been mine in display, haha. I think we call this “fence sitting”? And who’s on the track doesn’t prove that there’s not an objectively morally best decision, it just speaks about our shortcomings and our bias, which of course are undeniable. I even expressed how I might fail (if it’s my kid, I’m most likely rescuing him, yeah) at doing the right thing, but that’s because I recognise there was a right thing to do, and may God forgive me. Anyway, it doesn’t seem like we’ll come to a deeper agreement… but it’s been a very nice conversation, at least for me, and I hope you felt the same way. 👍
I feel like I have been expressing the other perspective in great detail, but I also don’t feel like you have meaningfully engaged with that perspective and have instead focused on my personal beliefs. Perhaps that’s an effort to protect your own beliefs, for fear that such engagement might cause you to question things that you consider fundamental to your understanding of the world and your self identity. I can’t say for sure, but I can say that I have personally been in that position and felt that way.
Even if we assume that there is an objectively moral decision in this scenario, we can never know with absolute certainty without asking God directly. Even the wisest scholars of what we do have of God’s word disagree on its interpretation, which leaves humanity with a lot of ambiguity.
I always enjoy discussing philosophy, and agree that this has been an enjoyable discussion. I wish you well, I hope you have a wonderful day, and I hope to engage in similarly enjoyable conversations with you again in the future.
Mmm. Well, I guess we did get some shared understanding in the end and that’s nice, haha. Take care, man, hopefully I’ll see you around. 👋