Independent Persian has received messages from protestors within Iran via Starlink satellite that describe a ‘war-like situation’. Amirhossein Miresmaeili reports
Nobody is denying that Israel and US are involved. Like said, there’s always going to be foreign involvement. What you are claiming is that the protesters are being controlled by them. And that’s the line the government is also using while trying to suppress the protests, making the protesters out to be some puppets.
I never claimed the protesters are being controlled by them. Go ahead and read everything I have written in the topic. That’s not my claim, it’s never been my claim, and I am not arguing from that position. I do not believe the protesters are being controlled by them.
And that’s the line the government is also using while trying to suppress the protests, making the protesters out to be some puppets.
The government is speaking in Farsi, not in English. The government is saying that Israeli forces are on the ground making the protests worse. Turning them violent. Killing police officers and burning buildings. They are not saying that all of the protestors are being controlled by foreign agents.
You are absorbing the propaganda of the regime change ghouls.
If you don’t think they are puppets and doing the bidding of someone else, do you support the protesters who want to overthrow the government (assuming that there’s enough popular will for that to happen), do you dismiss them because Israel and USA have an interested in seeing the government fall too or do you dismiss them on the grounds that you don’t think they should do it?
The government is speaking in Farsi, not in English.
I acknowledge that the protestors want their government to meet their needs. I do not support overthrowing the government at this time because regardless of the people’s will, the government will be replaced with a US puppet and that will not allow the Iranian’s will to be expressed.
I do not support overthrowing the government at this time because regardless of the people’s will, the government will be replaced with a US puppet and that will not allow the Iranian’s will to be expressed.
So you are against the people’s will because you think you know better than the people protesting. And you feel they should suffer under a government they don’t want because of that. That’s quite something all right.
You’re such an idealist. You have no idea what the people’s will is. Each person has their own will and collectively the people of Iran have contradictory wills. There are people in Iran counter protesting the protestors. There is no single unified will.
Equally, these sorts of demonstrations being distorted through propaganda and covert ops is a known weapon. Color revolutions are a known phenomenon and the actors who drive them are known, and their mechanisms are known. The CIA used NED for decades to do exactly this sort of thing in many countries.
So no, your formulation is a strawman and a deliberately misleading bad faith interpretation of the situation and the position I am presenting
You just said how you don’t support it regardless of the people’s will. Even if the people did want it, you’d be against them. Right here:
I do not support overthrowing the government at this time because regardless of the people’s will, the government will be replaced with a US puppet and that will not allow the Iranian’s will to be expressed.
“I’m against people’s will because I don’t think them expressing their will will allow the people’s will to be expressed. That’s why I’m speaking against the people’s will”. It’s funny.
Again. You have established as fact something that is not fact. I am saying that regardless of their will, their will is not going to win the day but instead either USA’s will or the current Iranian government’s will is going to win the day. The people will either defeat their government and create the conditions for the USA to subvert the will of the people or the people will not defeat their government. Those are the two options available based on the facts on the ground.
I cannot speak against the will of the Iranian people because no one knows the will of the Iranian people right now. There are different factions on the ground protesting and counter protesting and there are foreign governments distorting all of the information about who is protesting, how many are protesting, what their demands are, what they want, and what they’re doing.
You are stating as fact that the will of the Iranian people is regime change when it is clear that there is not one single will of the Iranian people.
And while you claim to want to support the will of the Iranian people, you have no problem with supporting actions that will absolutely subvert the will of the Iranian people by subjugating them to foreign governments.
I’m just quoting you. You said that even in the situation where their will was to overthrow the government you wouldn’t support them.
And while you claim to want to support the will of the Iranian people, you have no problem with supporting actions that will absolutely subvert the will of the Iranian people by subjugating them to foreign governments.
You said that you are literally against their will happening…
Nobody is denying that Israel and US are involved. Like said, there’s always going to be foreign involvement. What you are claiming is that the protesters are being controlled by them. And that’s the line the government is also using while trying to suppress the protests, making the protesters out to be some puppets.
I never claimed the protesters are being controlled by them. Go ahead and read everything I have written in the topic. That’s not my claim, it’s never been my claim, and I am not arguing from that position. I do not believe the protesters are being controlled by them.
The government is speaking in Farsi, not in English. The government is saying that Israeli forces are on the ground making the protests worse. Turning them violent. Killing police officers and burning buildings. They are not saying that all of the protestors are being controlled by foreign agents.
You are absorbing the propaganda of the regime change ghouls.
If you don’t think they are puppets and doing the bidding of someone else, do you support the protesters who want to overthrow the government (assuming that there’s enough popular will for that to happen), do you dismiss them because Israel and USA have an interested in seeing the government fall too or do you dismiss them on the grounds that you don’t think they should do it?
Wa waah.
I acknowledge that the protestors want their government to meet their needs. I do not support overthrowing the government at this time because regardless of the people’s will, the government will be replaced with a US puppet and that will not allow the Iranian’s will to be expressed.
So you are against the people’s will because you think you know better than the people protesting. And you feel they should suffer under a government they don’t want because of that. That’s quite something all right.
You’re such an idealist. You have no idea what the people’s will is. Each person has their own will and collectively the people of Iran have contradictory wills. There are people in Iran counter protesting the protestors. There is no single unified will.
Equally, these sorts of demonstrations being distorted through propaganda and covert ops is a known weapon. Color revolutions are a known phenomenon and the actors who drive them are known, and their mechanisms are known. The CIA used NED for decades to do exactly this sort of thing in many countries.
So no, your formulation is a strawman and a deliberately misleading bad faith interpretation of the situation and the position I am presenting
You just said how you don’t support it regardless of the people’s will. Even if the people did want it, you’d be against them. Right here:
“I’m against people’s will because I don’t think them expressing their will will allow the people’s will to be expressed. That’s why I’m speaking against the people’s will”. It’s funny.
Again. You have established as fact something that is not fact. I am saying that regardless of their will, their will is not going to win the day but instead either USA’s will or the current Iranian government’s will is going to win the day. The people will either defeat their government and create the conditions for the USA to subvert the will of the people or the people will not defeat their government. Those are the two options available based on the facts on the ground.
I cannot speak against the will of the Iranian people because no one knows the will of the Iranian people right now. There are different factions on the ground protesting and counter protesting and there are foreign governments distorting all of the information about who is protesting, how many are protesting, what their demands are, what they want, and what they’re doing.
You are stating as fact that the will of the Iranian people is regime change when it is clear that there is not one single will of the Iranian people.
And while you claim to want to support the will of the Iranian people, you have no problem with supporting actions that will absolutely subvert the will of the Iranian people by subjugating them to foreign governments.
It’s not funny. It’s sick and it’s sad.
I’m just quoting you. You said that even in the situation where their will was to overthrow the government you wouldn’t support them.
You said that you are literally against their will happening…