Once upon a time circa 2011-12, Ubuntu could pluck out the applications’ menu bar (the ‘File’/‘Edit’/‘View’/… thing) and display it at the top of the screen, like it’s done in MacOS. Brief searching shows that this was just a setting in Ubuntu’s system preferences, which doesn’t quite inform as to how it was done. But iirc this was before Ubuntu has gone Gnome 3, and thus wasn’t specific to GTK 3 — though the ‘Activities’ in the screenshot below suggests otherwise; and afaiu Cinnamon uses GTK 3 anyway. If I’m not mistaken, this feature has also appeared first in the Netbook Edition of Ubuntu.

Is there some way to have this feature again in Linux Mint, Cinnamon edition, in the year 2025? I’ve googled around for a bit, nothing comes up except lots of ‘how to move the bottom panel to the top’.

Random pic from the web to show this magical technology:

For anyone wondering why I would do such a thing: Fitts’s law tells us that the time to accurately move the cursor to an onscreen target is directly proportional to the distance to the target, and inversely proportional to the target’s size, namely in the same direction as the motion. Well, menu items being at the top of the screen makes them effectively infinite in size in the top-down direction, since the user can just jam the mouse all the way in the proximity of the desired item without a care to the vertical position of the cursor (assuming they come at the target mostly from below). I don’t really like using the mouse, or using the menus either — but when I do, I’d like to have a better experience.

Curiously, this is one glaring example of where Apple designers did their fundamental research, while those at Microsoft dropped the ball yet again: in Windows 9x (at the least), the taskbar buttons had a one-pixel gap from the bottom where mouse clicks didn’t work — which meant that a user moving the cursor with all their Fitts-dictated efficiency had to readjust again before clicking a button.

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    rounded window corners on rectangular screens the default

    That was actually a very deliberate move by Jobs and his lead designer at the time, I forget who. Rounded corners were everywhere around in actual industrial design, so Jobs shown a bunch of those to the guy just walking around the block, and explicitly asked for having fast rendering of rounded corners in the UI. Moreover, if you examine the rounded corners in different GUIs, you’ll discover that MacOS has corners that gradually taper off so that the curve radius changes as you go on, instead of immediately switching from an infinite radius, i.e. a straight line, to a constant. Because corners don’t switch from a straight line to a constant-radius curve in nature or even in human-made industrial products, seeing as that’s not how material bends. Apple even have a specific formula for the gradually tapered-off angles, that they apply across their hardware and software: you can try the Airpods case against your iPhone corner, and it’s the same curve.

    In contrast, if you ever notice the point of change from the infinite perimeter curve radius to a constant radius in Android or on web pages, you can’t unsee it anymore. It’s just glaringly obvious right in your face. I don’t know why nobody did that the way Apple does, but apparently they don’t really give a fuck.

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      That was actually a very deliberate move

      So was that Butterfly keyboard they insisted to put on their laptops for, what, 4 years or more (starting around 2015 or 2016) before admitting they may have screwed up by designing an extra thin keyboard instead of an actually usable and reliable keyboard?

      by Jobs and his lead designer at the time, I forget who

      Jonathan Ive, you mean?

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        Jonathan Ive, you mean?

        You appear to keep jabbing both me and Apple in general with these quips — but no, rounded corners first appeared in Macintosh around 1984, whereas Ive was promoted to the lead designer by Jobs upon his return in 1997.

        So was that Butterfly keyboard they insisted to put on their laptops for, what, 4 years or more (starting around 2015 or 2016) before admitting they may have screwed up by designing an extra thin keyboard instead of an actually usable and reliable keyboard?

        Ooooh yeah, a master jab there. Their whole software design had so much to do with the butterfly keyboards. The rounder corners of the MacOS UI since 1984 were all built on the butterfly keyboard, like you wouldn’t believe. Jobs himself went around parading the butterfly keyboard in 1984 to convince everyone to put rounded corners in their software. You’re so right, it’s amazing, how do you do this?

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        This angry over a designed decision on operating system you haven’t even used in eight years? And a grudge about a design on a couple of laptops from 10 years ago?

        Dude, you switched to Linux to make your life easier, I presume. Why keep holding on to so much hate over such little and meaningless things?