When it has been demonstrated over and over again, how little they think of anyone beneath them.

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    I think the unfortunate truth is that many non-evil people would be just as evil if given the opportunity. Or to frame it slightly different: I believe that too much money and/or power is what turns most people evil over time.

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      Or to frame it slightly different: I believe that too much money and/or power is what turns most people evil over time.

      What are the mechanics of this?

      Instead, I believe the means of acquiring money/power from those who have enough of it creates pressures (say, a newspaper sponsored by Coca-Cola is pressured into not reporting on Coca-Cola’s problems), along with the hyperrealities created by conventional rich lifestyles (mainly associating with other wealthy people, being used to paying people to do work instead of doing it yourself, all that kind of thing) distorting ones worldview and alienating them from most of society and its issues.

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      Have you considered the possibility that only evil people are capable of acquiring that much power and wealth because that much power and wealth is only possible by evil means?

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        Inheritance is an interesting aspect: if my grandfather stole and passed it to my father who passed it to me, I can acquire it by doing nothing.

        This is not a counter-argument - it highlights that doing nothing is complicity in injustice.

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        Lotteries exist. Boom, disproven.

        It’s not even an exception, really. Being part of just the right startup at just the right time, or coming out of the right mother basically is a lottery. Meanwhile, poor mean assholes exist too.

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      There’s science that backs this, but you don’t get that way without being a piece of shit beforehand.

      That level of wealth power privilege does in fact damage your brain, everything precious about humanity drains out through your orders.

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      If they would do evil given the chance, that makes them evil. It’s like a poorly forged piece of metal with a crack built in, that holds together until put to the test. The crack was always there.

      There’s more angles to it of course - mistakes, temporary dispositions, the average of all behavior, etc.

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        From a philosophical perspective, I find it quite difficult to measure a person’s evilness objectively.

        Assuming a person is born evil due to their genetic material, is it then actually their fault? Shouldn’t that be considered rather as a medical condition?

        Assuming a person is not born evil, but they turned evil due to outer influencing factors (parents, society, economic situation, luck, bad luck…), is it then actually their fault? Or are the outer factors the ones to blame in such a case?

        I agree to the ‘the crack was always there’ statement. But personally I think that all of us humans naturally have this crack. Given the right parameters, this crack can heal to a level where it’s barely notable. But under less optimal conditions I guess more or less every human can turn (be turned) into a monster.

        In terms of billionaires my opinion is that a) we should implement measures to avoid them in the first place and b) find ways to take away their power.

        But other than that I would prefer a way to heal their (often abnormal) crack and try to make them again valuable members of society again. Revenge and punishment (especially death penalty) should never be the focus of corrective measures, no matter the crime or misdemeanour.

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          evil does exist, some people are too far gone to be saved…the world would be a much better place without Theil or Murdoch (and his chosen heir) in it, for example.

          far as “dehumanizing”…kind of an irrelevant argument around semantics to me, they’re a massive net negative for society as a whole, simple as

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          It’s nearly universally learned behavior, and it’s just a metric of people’s disposition to act selfishly or malevolently versus selflessly and benevolently.