the MacBook pros are actually a tremendously good value if you actually need their power
I mean sure, if you like spending $1500+ on a new computer every year…they’re completely irreparable, unupgradeable, and they have a definite lifespan when Apple arbitrarily decides that they’re “obsolete”.
In principle I agree with you. But have you seen the state of the rest of the industry? Framework stands out as a bastion of repairability, the rest is mostly garbage.
I’d honestly expect a longer lifetime from a Macbook than almost anything else on the market at this point, especially if we are talking about high performance laptops for ”creative” work. You know, apart from an old Thinkpad, those machines are invincible.
If we are being fair, Apple doesn’t arbitrarily decide when something becomes obsolete, it is at 7 years for them when they retire hardware from support, that covers software as well.
Also, MacBook Pros have a longer shelf life on average than PC counterparts, unless it is corporate not many Mac users are upgrading their hardware every year. I believe the average is every 3-5 years but I know people who are still using 10+ year old MacBook Airs as their daily driver for personal use.
I guess you have your own definition of arbitrary because 7 years for in house support of their hardware isn’t decided on a whim or by chance but seems well reasoned.
But I can see by your shelf life comment that you have no intention of actually discussing anything and are just trolling so, goodbye!
You pose no threat because your position is transparent. Your argument here relies on saying what isn’t ok for you without stating your what you would prefer instead which leaves you open to moving the goalposts to wherever you want them to be.
You don’t have a position in this discussion beyond Apple bad for “reasons” and puffing out your chest. It is all air, smoke and mirrors. You ask questions as your argument and when they are answered you redefine what the entire discussion is about. This is an argumentative method used by children.
Do better, because I am smarter than you; I can see that any discussion with you is a waste of time.
Your argument here relies on saying what isn’t ok for you without stating your what you would prefer
I didn’t say it, because it doesn’t need saying, because it should be obvious to anyone who knows anything about Apple. But since you asked so nicely: Stop ending software support prematurely. Stop inventing new screws. Make schematics available. Make replacement parts available. Stop soldering everything to the board. Stop charging more for SSD and RAM than literal fucking gold. Stop locking iOS behind your fucking App Store. Stop doing everything humanly possible to prevent interoperability. Just generally stop showing such fucking contempt for your own consumers. Need I go on?
I can see that any discussion with you is a waste of time.
And yet here you are.
Your turn: In what way is 7 years “well reasoned”?
I mean sure, if you like spending $1500+ on a new computer every year…they’re completely irreparable, unupgradeable, and they have a definite lifespan when Apple arbitrarily decides that they’re “obsolete”.
In principle I agree with you. But have you seen the state of the rest of the industry? Framework stands out as a bastion of repairability, the rest is mostly garbage.
I’d honestly expect a longer lifetime from a Macbook than almost anything else on the market at this point, especially if we are talking about high performance laptops for ”creative” work. You know, apart from an old Thinkpad, those machines are invincible.
If we are being fair, Apple doesn’t arbitrarily decide when something becomes obsolete, it is at 7 years for them when they retire hardware from support, that covers software as well.
Also, MacBook Pros have a longer shelf life on average than PC counterparts, unless it is corporate not many Mac users are upgrading their hardware every year. I believe the average is every 3-5 years but I know people who are still using 10+ year old MacBook Airs as their daily driver for personal use.
7 years is arbitrary.
Who cares about “shelf life”? I don’t buy a computer and put it on a shelf…
I guess you have your own definition of arbitrary because 7 years for in house support of their hardware isn’t decided on a whim or by chance but seems well reasoned.
But I can see by your shelf life comment that you have no intention of actually discussing anything and are just trolling so, goodbye!
Oh, I can’t wait for this. Please tell me what the “well reason” is?
That I’m smarter than you? Yes, bowing out is probably a good choice at this point.
You’re funny.
You pose no threat because your position is transparent. Your argument here relies on saying what isn’t ok for you without stating your what you would prefer instead which leaves you open to moving the goalposts to wherever you want them to be.
You don’t have a position in this discussion beyond Apple bad for “reasons” and puffing out your chest. It is all air, smoke and mirrors. You ask questions as your argument and when they are answered you redefine what the entire discussion is about. This is an argumentative method used by children.
Do better, because I am smarter than you; I can see that any discussion with you is a waste of time.
I didn’t say it, because it doesn’t need saying, because it should be obvious to anyone who knows anything about Apple. But since you asked so nicely: Stop ending software support prematurely. Stop inventing new screws. Make schematics available. Make replacement parts available. Stop soldering everything to the board. Stop charging more for SSD and RAM than literal fucking gold. Stop locking iOS behind your fucking App Store. Stop doing everything humanly possible to prevent interoperability. Just generally stop showing such fucking contempt for your own consumers. Need I go on?
And yet here you are.
Your turn: In what way is 7 years “well reasoned”?
I’ve found another victim of the Dunning-Kruger effect.