Those charged with terrorism for supporting Palestine Action will have no jury in trials limited to 36 minutes each, with prison sentences up to six months. These are the plans for Starmer Courts for mass trials of anti-Genocide protestors.
Those charged with terrorism for supporting Palestine Action will have no jury in trials limited to 36 minutes each, with prison sentences up to six months. These are the plans for Starmer Courts for mass trials of anti-Genocide protestors.
UK is firmly on my “do not travel” list. I have a personal rule about not traveling to fascist states.
I was an immigrant there and left the UK just before Brexit came into effect and never went back (even though I have friends over there) because I was very aware already back then of the Authoritarian shit already in place (for example, already a decade ago there was no right to have a lawyer present when detained and interrogated at an airport, and the crazy overboard anti-Terrorism legislation now being used was already on the books back then).
The tools now being used very overtly by Starmer have been in place for quite a while, alongside a lot of shit that in the old days one would only find in Authoritarian nations, used for surveillance of the civil society and suppression of free-speech and demonstrations.
That crap that has been added in the last couple of years is but a fraction of the insanely anti-democratic shit already in the books back then, since most of that shit was added in two big waves, one after 9/11 and another after the Snowden Revelations (when the government retroactivelly made legal all the unlawful civil society surveillance that had been doing) and in between and since slowly expanded in scope and layered with ever more oppressive shit, mainly targetting demonstrations and civil society groups.
That said, the Authoritarian mindset of the British elites long predates this latest wave: for example back in the 80s Ecological organisations were under surveillance and even being infiltrated by undercover police officers, and don’t get me started about Britain’ long running Press-Censorship system: D-Notices.
Except in the domain of armed police violence, Britain wasn’t better than the US, it was just much more subtle, which makes sense since at least England is very obcessed with managing impressions, especially the upper classes.
That’s been true in the US for decades, and most other countries. Border control is administrative, it isn’t a legal proceeding.
Though I wonder if you’re thinking of Blair’s “reform” that eliminated the right of silence when being questioned? Well, you can still be silent, but they can hold it against you.
Maybe, I lived in the UK when that stuff was changed but it’s been a while and I’m probably a bit off on the details.
At the time there was some outrage because it suspended rights which were widely believed to be fundamental over there.
I’ve spent many years in both countries. I’m in the UK now. Regarding the UK, you’re right in principle but wrong in practice. The system is bad at constraining authoritarian overreach in the near-term, for a number of structural reasons. But at the same time, the US enforces draconian laws more widely and consistently than any UK government. If you’re on their shit list, they mess with you, but that’s a vanishingly rare occasion compared to the kinds of fuckery that US authorities get up to, and the consequences tend to be far less catastrophic as well. None of the pro-Palestine protestors are getting sent to jail for 20 years (not that they should be getting charged or punished at all). And the quality of life is better, and there is very little violent crime outside a few big cities. Come and see for yourself, don’t assume that binary-thinking Lemmy posters are reliable sources.
I lived for over a decade in the UK and hence am quite familiar with the British system.
However the standard I compare Britain against is The Netherlands, not the United States.
In European terms the UK is de facto more authoritarian than most, though not in a goose-stepping jackboot way but more in a “laws designed for very broad interpretation” + “they’ll throw the book at you if you’re foreigner, or critical of the system itself (for example, member of a leftwing party, an ecologist or participate in demonstrations against the government)” + “massive but quiet surveillance to detect dissent early”.
Maybe the posh, velvet glove wrapping a steel fist, way of exercising power in the UK is a fucking paradise next to the “gun in your face” way of the US, but it’s not at all a free and fair system compared with most of Europe, especially Northern Europe.
The system will fuck you for being a dissenter, but they’ll do it by taking your shit, your options and possibly your freedom, not by taking your life. Then again, nowhere in Europe they’ll take your life like that - that specific form of abusive/reckless use of force in policing is very rare in Europe and an outright scandal just about everywhere in it when it happens.