Those charged with terrorism for supporting Palestine Action will have no jury in trials limited to 36 minutes each, with prison sentences up to six months. These are the plans for Starmer Courts for mass trials of anti-Genocide protestors.

  • Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works
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    They’ve been frantically confiscating any remotely sharp object for years, and nobody has firearms. The populace has been disarmed for many years now.

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      6 hours ago

      Exactly.

      The laws making carrying a knive a crime have been on the books for at least a decade and as for firearms the UK has long been like most of Europe in that it’s pretty hard to get a license for anything but a single hunting weapon.

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        They’ve been frantically confiscating any remotely sharp object for years

        Nonsense. I can walk down the street right now with a big fucking butcher knife, as long as I can show that I’m on my way to work and the knife’s a tool of my trade. Of course, that works better if I’m not waving it around at passers-by and it’s wrapped up with other knives and chef’s gadgets. The same goes for other sharp and dangerous tools and caustic and poisonous chemicals used for construction or agriculture. But if I get caught with a jacket pocket full of heroin bindles, and that same butcher knife is found hidden down the leg of my tracksuit, I’ve got some explaining to do. Context matters. The police are given discretion, and they actually do exercise it. It’s not the US. Zero-tolerance enforcement is a rare thing here. So are police killings of civilians.

        When you read these articles, you imagine a police state. But the reality is that I’m harassed by cops, by criminals and by asshole members of the general public far less here than I was in the US. And by “much less,” I mean never. That was not the case in the US.

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          What you’re describing is the way that law should be applied, not how it can be applied: it’s down to the discretion of the police officers who stopped you and the Crown Prosecution Service, whether they detain you and prosecute you or not if, for example, you have a small pocket knife when you get stopped and frisked (which in the UK, like in the US, is statistically more likely if you’re black and look poor or if you look middle eastern).

          Just like this specific Anti-Terrorism Law which is now being used in a way other than how the politicians claimed it was going to be used, so the anti-knife legislation is written so that it can be abused - all of it relies on humans in positions of power being fair rather than on the laws being written as fair and I can tell you from personal experience (and even more the experience of friends of mine) that the Justice System’s “fairness” (especially at the lower levels) is a lot different if you’re a White British than if you’re a foreigner, Black, Indian or Middle-eastern looking.

          Your argument boils down to “Trust the coppers and trust the Courts” which the very post we’re commenting under shows as total bollocks.

          PS: That said I totally agree Britain is not at all a Police State, at least not yet. It already is a Surveillance State at about the level of Eastern Germany, and judging by things going on right now as described in the post we’re commenting under it’s going towards becoming a Police State far faster than most of Europe, but even now the abusing of the overbroad legislation put in place in the last decade or two and of policing powers is still localized - though getting broader and broader - rather than generalized.

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      3d printers? Pipes, nails, and cordite/fulminates?

      Factory built firearms I can believe, but I don’t believe that the populace would be incapable of constructing their own, nor would be unwilling to if push came to shove.

      It is a modern phenomenon, but there is no effective way to fully disarm a population without vetting and restricting the imports and purchases within the entire economy (including the internet/communications infrastructure), which I’d imagine the UK doesn’t want to do.

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        I mean, there’s always the classic chair leg with a few nails in it.

        You can always improvise a blunt weapon, but realistically I think something like a general strike is more likely to happen.

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      23 hours ago

      Might be time for the King’s citizens to invest in smuggling. If European coyotes can get an entire person across the Channel, it’s not impossible.