I realized that my incompetence-in-communicating probably added this mis-communication:
The inquisitors were Christian, right?
The fact that what they were doing went against everything their root-guru’s religion was made-of, doesn’t have any bearing, to them.
Nazism is Christian, in identity.
The KKK is Christian, in identity.
Identity has deep roots.
Cambodia’s Buddhist.
Has been for centuries.
Yes, I know that Pol Pot was Communist, but when you raise communism in a country as deeply Buddhist as Cambodia, … you end-up with many of the people in the ruling-regime having “Buddhist” identity, fundamentally in them.
THAT is what I meant:
it was the underlying Buddhist-identity, that I was attacking, and not, in any way, pretending that Pol Pot was claiming Buddhism ( which not-even an idiot would claim ).
You simply can’t raise an institution in any culture, without having that-culture being the underlying identity in the people of that regime.
That is why Chinese Buddhism is to me partially an oxy-moron:
Confucianism ( form/tradition/authority/establishment ) is sooo much of the bedrock of the fundamental Chinese mind, and Buddhism is the opposite ( essence, instead-of form, centered ), that the 2 modes of mind are fundamentally mutually-exclusive.
( this doesn’t mean that Chinese Chan Buddhism is somehow worthless: it’s got some excellent insights for us!
However, if one is working at dissolving-beyond-form, then being fundamentally of the form-and-establishment-and-authority-are-LORD religion that Confucianism is, & I’ve linked on other sites to a pair of legal-cases which show Confucianism’s bedrock instinct…
both in Japan & in China, both Confucian-culture ( Japan’s fundamentally more Buddhist & also Shinto ), people have been convicted of murders that they confessed-to, … and then the person they’d “murdered” returned to town, or was found alive.
In Confucian culture, authority is the LORD.
Authority beating people into confessing is “valid” ( and cost authority some “face” in those cases, when accountability came knocking ), for authority to do.
In OUR culture due-process is more real, in Confucian culture … it inherently isn’t.
Same with truly-Buddhist cultures, like Cambodia.
Any truly-Buddhist culture which is temporarily ( for a few generations ) highjacked by some physicalist/materialist ideology … the underlying identites of the people staffing the regime is going to remain rooted in the underlying-culture, isn’t it?
That goes all ways, not just to the traditional-religions, it goes to moneyarchy, it goes to legalism-archy, it goes to physicalism’s religion, it goes to fundamentalist-atheism, it goes to all axiom-based, system-of-meaning that rejects falsification
( which is my definition of “religion” ).
You can’t instantly get the underlying identity out, no matter how you change the apparent identity: it takes generations to do that.
( the Soviet Union lasted long-enough to change the fundamental-underlying-identity in people, not completely, but significantly )
So, you’ve proven I’m incompetent at communicating:
I meant underlying identity, underneath the party-affiliation or otherwise “flag carrying” “identity”,
but I appeared to mean something fundamentally-different.
Typical…
My inability to think the way proper, acceptable, valid, western-minds think, keeps creating miscommunications & problems.
That isn’t likely to cease, as long as I continue earning more-complete understanding, instead of remanufacturing me to make me be acceptably-conforming/“belonging”/etc.
That underlying-level & surface-level both affect outcomes, is to me sooo obvious as to be automatically-assumed.
Normals don’t assume any such thing.
Incompetence-at-communicating can have many causes.
I realized that my incompetence-in-communicating probably added this mis-communication:
The inquisitors were Christian, right?
The fact that what they were doing went against everything their root-guru’s religion was made-of, doesn’t have any bearing, to them.
Nazism is Christian, in identity.
The KKK is Christian, in identity.
Identity has deep roots.
Cambodia’s Buddhist.
Has been for centuries.
Yes, I know that Pol Pot was Communist, but when you raise communism in a country as deeply Buddhist as Cambodia, … you end-up with many of the people in the ruling-regime having “Buddhist” identity, fundamentally in them.
THAT is what I meant:
it was the underlying Buddhist-identity, that I was attacking, and not, in any way, pretending that Pol Pot was claiming Buddhism ( which not-even an idiot would claim ).
You simply can’t raise an institution in any culture, without having that-culture being the underlying identity in the people of that regime.
That is why Chinese Buddhism is to me partially an oxy-moron:
Confucianism ( form/tradition/authority/establishment ) is sooo much of the bedrock of the fundamental Chinese mind, and Buddhism is the opposite ( essence, instead-of form, centered ), that the 2 modes of mind are fundamentally mutually-exclusive.
( this doesn’t mean that Chinese Chan Buddhism is somehow worthless: it’s got some excellent insights for us!
However, if one is working at dissolving-beyond-form, then being fundamentally of the form-and-establishment-and-authority-are-LORD religion that Confucianism is, & I’ve linked on other sites to a pair of legal-cases which show Confucianism’s bedrock instinct…
both in Japan & in China, both Confucian-culture ( Japan’s fundamentally more Buddhist & also Shinto ), people have been convicted of murders that they confessed-to, … and then the person they’d “murdered” returned to town, or was found alive.
In Confucian culture, authority is the LORD.
Authority beating people into confessing is “valid” ( and cost authority some “face” in those cases, when accountability came knocking ), for authority to do.
In OUR culture due-process is more real, in Confucian culture … it inherently isn’t.
Same with truly-Buddhist cultures, like Cambodia.
Any truly-Buddhist culture which is temporarily ( for a few generations ) highjacked by some physicalist/materialist ideology … the underlying identites of the people staffing the regime is going to remain rooted in the underlying-culture, isn’t it?
That goes all ways, not just to the traditional-religions, it goes to moneyarchy, it goes to legalism-archy, it goes to physicalism’s religion, it goes to fundamentalist-atheism, it goes to all axiom-based, system-of-meaning that rejects falsification
( which is my definition of “religion” ).
You can’t instantly get the underlying identity out, no matter how you change the apparent identity: it takes generations to do that.
( the Soviet Union lasted long-enough to change the fundamental-underlying-identity in people, not completely, but significantly )
So, you’ve proven I’m incompetent at communicating:
I meant underlying identity, underneath the party-affiliation or otherwise “flag carrying” “identity”,
but I appeared to mean something fundamentally-different.
Typical…
My inability to think the way proper, acceptable, valid, western-minds think, keeps creating miscommunications & problems.
That isn’t likely to cease, as long as I continue earning more-complete understanding, instead of remanufacturing me to make me be acceptably-conforming/“belonging”/etc.
That underlying-level & surface-level both affect outcomes, is to me sooo obvious as to be automatically-assumed.
Normals don’t assume any such thing.
Incompetence-at-communicating can have many causes.
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