• atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works
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    13 hours ago

    The US is a product of European colonialism and white centrism. It would be nice, for those of us whose ancestors were already here prior to 1492 and I am sure for those whose ancestors were forced here in the interim, if people would stop trying to pretend that everyone here has culpability in the current state of affairs. Native Americans have literally only had the right to vote since the 70s.

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      The number of native people without some european ancestry in some line of their heritage is drastically small. People have been mixing since a long ass time ago, in good and bad contexts. Far from all of it was under duress of any kind. It doesnt really matter if youre culturally 100% connected, that doesnt negate those lines of heritage. Its quite obnoxious to pretend that just because youre 1/XYZ native that you have no european heritage like most do. Same as it would be obnoxious for someone who has a majority of european heritage, but not entirely, to pretend that they are just european and ignore the rest by affording some sense of supremacy to their preferred lines.

      As someone who is related to a little bit of everybody, I dont speak for any of those heritages wholesale. I speak for me, and I guess for other people who are tripartite mixed of the same three “races” of people. To do anything else would be disingenuous at best

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        So this is something that I’ve noticed recently, and honestly, it’s pissing me off. America has spent an absurd amount of its existence pushing its influence around the rest of the world, whether that be media or military. In all of it, American exceptionalism runs rampant, with Americans believing that they have the best country on the planet. Often comparing America to other countries as if America is the basic template of what something should be. Yet, when someone who is not an American decides to have an opinion on America, the Americans expect special treatment, saying that we do not know what it is like there. Yet they are the country that does not shut the fuck up about themselves.

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      Okay, and what’s your solution supposed to be? To have everyone go, well the United States is a horrible country that is filled to the brim with bigots, but because there is a tiny, tiny margin of people who aren’t, we should be kind to the whole country, because we don’t want to hurt their feelings? Or do you expect me to add a disclaimer to every one of my comments saying, of course, this does not apply to those in this case or that case or this other case? Because if so, that’s also ridiculous. You might have ALSO noticed I said the country is a terrorist state and not every single person is culpable. But there’s this thing called the majority…

      So no. I will not be adding a disclaimer to every comment saying something both of us are aware of. But way to go on disproving the stereotype of Americans and expecting special treatment.

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        9 hours ago

        People from Europe seem to expect to not be lumped in with the latest dumbass bullshit from Hungry, or the UK, or even this latest chat control fiasco. Is it really that troublesome that people from a nation made up of dozens of states, reservations, islands, etc want the same?

        Edit for your edit: You said terrorist nation, not state.

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          It seems so difficult for a lot of Americans to understand that Europe consists of multiple independent countries, while USA is a single country.

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          Is it really that troublesome that people from a nation made up of dozens of states, reservations, islands, etc want the same?

          Yup because you’re one country.

          What you initially described is one country being annoyed of getting said they’re responsible for another country. You’re all the same voting block. Moreover, a voting block that overwhelmingly voted for Donald Trump. He won in majority of votes and then something like 40% of your eligible electorate decided not to vote at all.

          So, once again, I am not adding a disclaimer and caveat to every single comment just to spare the feelings of Americans. You’re either capable of going “Well clearly this doesn’t apply to people who aren’t bigots” or you need it literally spelled out for you. If you need it literally spelled out for you then you’re the type of American who the rest of the world is utterly sick of in the first place.

          You said terrorist nation, not state.

          American.

          Here’s the definition of State:

          a nation or territory considered as an organized political community under one government.

          Here’s the definition of Nation:

          a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory.

          Glad I could help you with your civics lesson.