My question aims to know what kind of procedures did the Chinese government (allegedly) take since 2014 in Xinjiang, and why to begin with. And what can we know about the region in the current time, like can a random tourist go and see with their own eyes the truth, and maybe film it ?

There are Youtube videos and a Wikipedia page documenting human rights infringements, while China and the Marxist forums deny anything harmful. Now that almost nobody is bringing it up, I want to know what was legitimately documented. Investigating the origins and later developments of the case on my own would be so hard.

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    1 day ago

    Man… China really handles these things in eerie ways, watching this feels like reading “20th century boys” (manga). I can see why the Chinese would think this is merciful, but personally it only convinces me even further that Uyghur deserve their own nation. Situation doesn’t seem as bad as India, but this response is like how they deal with aliens or something.

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      21 hours ago

      This is a propaganda video where most of the “erie” parys are just video editing and commentary, not demonstrated through evidence or interviews. It is a good example for developing your own media criticism skills. I’ll make note of one outright falsehood and invite you to critically analyze the video further.

      They lied when they said those attending didn’t go home. They literally show them arriving and going home on buses multiple times. Rather than note their own inconsistency in narrative, they try to characterize this as erie and scary as well. Oh people line up to get on buses! Follow that bus! Oh it just goes to a “government facility” and they leave to do whatever they want to afterwards? What government facility? They say they are “processed” first. Where is the evidence of this? All they show is people leaving while the bus they were on is stopped.

      The BBC has a history of pushing this kind of bad faith propaganda. They even do things like get down into ditches to make “scary” angles for boring things and desaturate the videos like it’s reality TV and you need to emotionally manipulated to know what the bad things are.

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        The problem is not with the editing. The problem is that men and women dancing and singing together in happiness is literally just appealing to westerners, being of similar culture to Uyghurs I’d only be part of this practice as a humiliation ritual. If they knew what “harmony” looks like to Muslims, the atmosphere would have been at least similar to Taliban’s propaganda videos, where women have their own space where they have their own practices and taught by a fellow woman, or they appear in videos with their scarf.

        Another thing that went passive but is really huge is when the guy at 00:32 was asked how often he prays and he answered with the playbook “China’s laws define schools as public places. And in public places religious activities are not allowed”. Anyone familiar with Muslims knows that they pray 5 times a day as obligation, like at the very least 200 million Muslims keep this defining practice, the guy being made to answer like this is straight up persecution for his religion,
        and it shows the Chinese officials don’t even know what they’re dealing with, they’re like “yeah it’s another religion where they have a day of practices every week”.

        The worst part is that the officials basically admitted that they took these people based on predictions ? Like even if we ignore the ethical dilemma, you want me to believe that statistics&probability predicts which person will commit crime with ? That’s like a book example of bad math imo.