About 49,500 people took their own lives last year in the U.S., the highest number ever, according to new government data posted Thursday.

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    but until society starts acknowledging men’s issues it will keep getting worse.

    Good news. We’ve moved on from ‘man hating’ on the left. Intersectional Feminism actually espouses the fact that men are also harmed by the patriarchy and all the ridiculous demands that it puts on us, like not feeling feelings. You should look into it.

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      Expecting women to help men is like expecting men to give women the right to vote suddenly on their own initiative.

      If you’re essentializing the left you’re stuck in meaningless ideology. “Kill All Men” is a good T-shirt and let’s not pretend women shouldn’t look out for women. Intersectional Feminism might have good ad copy but expecting an ideology to cure all problems is a broken (and male-oriented) way of viewing the world.

      “If we just get the ideology right the hard work will disappear!” No, men are still going to have to help other men and “Intersectional Feminism” is still going to be either 1) a way to a more nuanced feminism (a good thing for those feminists to develop, don’t get me wrong), or 2) an Extremely Online project of no real consequence.

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          Listen to yourself.

          We’ve moved on from ‘man hating’ on the left.

          How dare you deprive women of the right to hate men for the shitty things that men do?

          Intersectional Feminism actually espouses the fact that men are also harmed by the patriarchy

          It’s not like it’s not a “well actually” just because you omitted the “well.”

          You absolutely can delegitimize the experience men have at the hands of feminism which is composed of humans who don’t always get it right. You can do it, with this “well actually,” but you’re performing an ideological dance for yourself to try and salvage a feminism that doesn’t need the help.

          Feminism kicks ass and tells women to fuck up men when they deserve it, omni-feminism is weak sauce like this.

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              Yes.

              I think it is healthier to respect the expression of rage of women and men.

              I think it’s healthier to expect and understand and embrace the contradictory nature of such expression than to bury it in ideological false unity.

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                I disagree almost entirely. If you’re going to arbitrarily reduce 50% of the population to “those people are the reason for my suffering”, then you’re a dumb tool, and your rage is childish and shouldn’t be encouraged.

                You seem to be conflating, “Uh, don’t be sexist because you’re angry,” with “Your emotions are invalid and you shouldn’t pursue your own betterment”.

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                  I don’t think you’ve understood what I’m trying to say.

                  If a woman’s experience with most of the men in their life is that men are violent rapists, then you had damn well better not tell those women that their rage is childish and shouldn’t be encouraged. Should that rage be allowed to guide policy? Yes. Should that rage be allowed to direct policy? No.

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                    3 years ago

                    Guiding and directing policy are no different for someone who doesn’t hold office. I will reiterate again that using your trauma as an excuse to hold bigoted views is childish and that it shouldn’t be encouraged.

                    If in my experience most of the black people in my life were violent rapists, you wouldn’t be like, “Wow, yes, you should blame all black people for the actions of the small group that you have interacted with”. You would tell me that I was being a dumbshit for idk, blaming an entire group of people for the actions of a few.

                    I’m not about to play coddle Olympics towards someone who is directing their trauma and frustrations in an unhealthy way. I’m going to sympathize but also direct them towards a healthier approach.