Since Lemmy is federated, and the admins of each instance choose what’s allowed and what’s not in their own instance.
How do you feel about what’s allowed and what’s not in your current instance ?
I’ll start: I’ve read people complaining about my instance admins, but I haven’t experienced nor seen anything I specifically disagree with.
And I’ve read things they wrote that I absolutely agree with, like not federating with Meta under any circumstances.
So for now, I’m happy with it. If I get banned randomly, I don’t think I’d go to a different instance, though. I’d probably just stop visiting Lemmy altogether.
Sh.itjust.works has been brilliant, tbh.
High uptime, reasonable admins.
Very happy with it
hell yeah brother 1,000,000 banned reactionaries and transphobes
o7
I’m not being forced to say this but I love our Communist dictatorship of the proletariat admins. They keep us safe behind our Great Communist Firewall and make sure I only see things that are good for me. I have fun with the slop and treats they give me, everyone here is very happy. There are no fights among our people and we all are always in agreement. No one ever asks for real freedom and my family is never threatened for doubting the actions of our appointed Supreme Leaders. We have temporary bans (which in our language we call “gulag”) that are necessary and only reserved for those who wish to destroy our way of life, which we all equally benefit from and enjoy, so that we remain safe. We all have portraits of PPB in our home and daily recite the TrueAnon Rules. We have reading groups to make us better shitposters and if we do not do the reading we are all publicly reminded of our flaws and failures so that we may improve ourselves in the future. We all cry tears of joy that we no longer must touch grass or logout, we are all terminally online for our own good and for our community. We are very happy and everything is normal and we enjoy higher standards of freedoms than do users on other instances, our strict rules are only there to protect us. I’m not paid or forced to say this and my family is safe, please do not SEND FOR HELP. WE ARE NOT FORCED TO EAT BEANIS AND DRINK PISS TO SURVIVE, WE DO IT BECAUSE WE LOVE IT.
Not bad. The thing with “censorship” is that there are no real “free-speech” instances, all instances have opinions they deem intolerable and thus prune (whether selectively or overtly), and many selectively federate and defederate in a manner that makes one camp of thought more dominant, ie liberalism on Lemmy.world via defederation from Hexbear and Lemmygrad, etc.
Lemmy.ml is quicker to remove comments that break the rules than other instances, but is also more broadly federated and thus gets more points of view than, say, Lemmy.world. Lemmy.world on the other hand is more selective with what it removes, but intentionally defederates from instances with heavy concentrations of Marxists, a more subtle form of “censorship” that ultimately shapes the dominant narratives on its instance.
What this ultimately means is that the answer is to openly admit bias, which exists in everyone, and accept that as a natural consequence of the fediverse model. I wouldn’t go to Lemmy.world if I wanted to know the opinion of Marxists just like I wouldn’t go to Lemmygrad if I wanted to know the opinion of liberals on a subject, this recognition of bias is an intrinsic aspect of the federated model and needs to be openly recognized, otherwise sabre rattling about “censorship” between instances becomes a never-ending source of unconstructive drama.
that there are no real “free-speech” instances,
such spaces fill up with nazis anyway as decent people leave because there are so many nazis around
I like hexbear.
Modding is a tough row to how.
Yeah they might not always get everything right but I’d rather have an overactive mod team than an under active (useless) mod team especially when it’s all done for free
Yea tends to happen when you are in a bubble and the admins strongly enforce said bubble.
That’s not an accurate way to view Hexbear. Hexbear is very explicitly for Marxists and Anarchists, but the vast majority of users live in areas where those are fringe viewpoints. Hexbear allows people to talk to other like-minded leftists without having to constsntly deal with people hostile to Anarchism and/or Marxism, which is the default in their lives.
A more accurate “bubble” would be instances that uphold ideologies aligned with the status quo in my opinion, as it minimizes exposure to other viewpoints.
I dont care that they talk to each other that way. What anoys me about hexbear is the way they treat other people that just want to have a converation with them. Any other opinion gets banned instantly, even if it comes from a person that just wants to discuss a topic open minded.
I’m on world. Fuck the admins of world.
it made me get off of lemmy.world
.ml here, I’m happy with this community. I know the reputation it has, but honestly, I haven’t really seen it. I’m a hardcore leftist, but I’ve been very critical of China, Russia, etc. And I’m not a tankie. Obviously haven’t been banned or had my comments removed.
The mods here seem quite reasonable, and of course if folks don’t agree, there are a lot of other instances.
I used to be a free-speech absolutist when I was young, but then I realized that there isn’t such a thing. Even the few places online that pride themselves on having “no censorship” like 4-chan still have a handful of things that they don’t allow.
Quite frankly, I think those places are pretty nasty overall and I have no desire to emulate them. Racists, Pedos, lgbt-phobes don’t need a platform or to have their opinions elevated or taken seriously.
I wouldn’t think a top university’s physics department is improved by devoting classes and curriculum to flat earth or 7-day creationism. Likewise, I don’t think a forum or server is made better by allowing racists and bigots to have a safe space on it.
Of course, you have to decide what crosses the line, but welcome to real life. There’s a difference between a hardcore neo-nazi who thinks Jews and black folks are literal sub-humans, and your 87 year-old grandpa who unironically calls the employees at his favorite asian buffet, “Chinamen.”
I think 99.99% of Lemmy is hardcore leftist so it’s no wonder they don’t fuck with you, so it’s no wonder that you have no complaints.
I’m happy with Lemmy.ml. I feel like moderation is taken seriously here and that is a very good thing. I don’t care for “free speech” that provides a platform for immoral points of view. For example, I do not need to consider the opinions of racists or Nazis. I’ve heard them plenty and there is no redeeming value in their speech. It is a settled debate. Anyone who doesn’t understand that deserves your suspicion.
Also on .ml and agree. Nazi shit on an instance makes it unusable as far as I’m concerned.
My instance has been really good, with some hiccups, but I also appreciate that it doesn’t rampantly defederate (to my knowledge) because while I can handle a more overbearing moderation staff I like being able to see other instances and appreciate the dialogue going on in them.
I run my own instance, so supremely displeased as expected.
we aren’t federated with NSFW instances and thats honestly okay because I use this account in public.
You might consider crossposting this to similar communities on other instances. .ml has quite the reputation for censorship, so that’s definitely going to shape the responses you get here.
Lemmy.world also has a reputation for censorship, what actually happens is different instances fall into different ideological camps and tend to defederate and remove/ban that which does not affirm the dominant ideology of the instance. Lemmy.ml gets a bad reputation from Lemmy.world and adjacent communities because Lemmy.ml is far more broadly federated and thus removes more rulebreaking content, generally.
Recognizing bias is a necessary part of the fediverse experience, everyone is biased in some direction and defederation provides a more subtle means by which to “censor.” One could say Lemmy.world has banned all of Hexbear through defederation, which is more heavyhanded than Lemmy.ml ever has been. All this means is that Lemmy.world is more subtle with its own censorship and Lemmy.ml more overt.
I got banned from a community for saying I wasn’t going to call a vagina a front hole. Apparently that’s transphobic.
No, you were banned for being bigoted because, checking the mod log, you are hostile to trans and disabled people and considered transwomen to be dangerous to ciswomen. Your mod log is public.
That’s not true at all - just because a mod writes it - doesn’t make it fact. I explained myself in those posts. Anything over in these instances is immediately deemed transphobic whether it is or not. If you don’t fall in line 100%, and want to have any kind of opinion - it’s immediately labeled transphobic and removed.
Yes, I am going off of your posts and comments, not the mod reasons.
I feel OK about it, for the most part. I can say "genocide is always wrong" and not get banned here.
But ya can’t see the word bitch (or a bunch of other swears)
How will I ever decide whether or not to make this tradeoff???
good. not everyone wants to deal with misogyny.
I’m on lemmy.one which has disabled downvoting. If I had known in advance I would have picked another instance. Unfortunately, Lemmy doesn’t have a mechanism to transfer your account to another instance yet.
Disabling down votes is good actually because it forces people to engage and not just down vote and move on.
but sometimes i just want to be passive aggressive
Or you want to communicate that a highly upvoted thing isn’t unanimously supported, but you don’t want the tsunami of downvotes that comes with leaving a comment that says you disagree.
That doesn’t really work if people from other instances do get to downvote.
What do you mean? Hexbear doesn’t have downvotes and people constantly complain about getting ratio’d by us. If an instance doesn’t offer downvotes it completely blocks downvotes from being recorded, it doesn’t leave you at the mercy of other’s downvotes.
