So you use the same devices as before just like firefox with cleared cookies? How long do your accs last?

Also sorry for bombarding you with questions it’s just I rlly doubt wanna lose the ability to post on some of these subs lol

I don’t even think the evasion detection is that complicated.

Barring fingerprinting and IP shit, let’s say they index every single user that spends more than 25 hours on their site per month to lower computational load relative to if we did every single user.

For each of those users, they might record 10 of their most used “niche subreddits” (those with under 200,000 members, niche because most reddit users are in the non-niche subs so it’s not conclusive enough)

From that data alone, if a user happens to be into, say, Golden Age Minecraft, 3D Printing, Stampylongnose, Namesoundalike memes, Drakethetype memes, and be in a Saskatchewan local sub, ON TOP of the account being relatively new, this is enough evidence for Reddit to be 99.9% confident that you’re the same user as someone else with that data—and if that someone else with that data is banned, you’re gone too!

That’s how I think they do it. So, you have to completely change your usage habits on top of all device fingerprinting and IP stuff. Near impossible unless you’re not just terminally online (like me) but eternally online.

Seems unlikely that they’d do this just to catch ban evaders? They probably were already doing it for targeted ads, so might as well repurpose it for this, too!

So do you literally just wait a few days and rejoin some of your favourite smaller subs after a few days no matter how small they are and still remain undetected?

Are you ever connecting to your old IP again after making the account on data or are you being super careful about it?

Also, if the bans aren’t for evasion, how are you coming back after 60 fucking times lol?!

Not sure what the intent behind this post is, and I know it’s cliche, but don’t fucking do it. Please

You’re right, I definitely have a serious addiction and I am realizing it more now. This post definitely reads like I’ve been separated from cocaine, lmao.

It’s probably my limited social life combined with the endless scrolling. The fucking reddit notifications from posts and comments sorta filled that void, it’s super sad ik.

Breaking the addiction will be a hard adjustment and it’s not easy, but I hope I will get over it and I know you’re right.

But the ban is also shitty outside of the context of my general usage addiction though even though that’s obviously the main factor. Asking general questions about random shit has helped me solve so many problems.

Nothing but usage patterns is sufficient but browser fingerprints and IP location obviously makes it easier for them.

I linger on a post from a smaller sub they randomly recommend for 0.2 seconds longer than other posts? They get a little suspicious.

I click a google search link to a post about a hobby I was into on a previous account? They get more suspicious.

They say, “oh look, a dude that’s into Minecraft (joined that sub), 3D printing (from google question) that lives in x city and uses Windows. We only have like 10 of those on the entire platform, and one is banned! Let’s start suggesting them communities from their old accounts to see if it’s the same person.”

Then, after you even remotely interact with those older/smaller communities that they fire at you as a test suggestion, they gain more and more evidence until they’re very confident it’s you. Then boom, evasion ban again.

There’s no way around this unless you don’t use Reddit for what you want to and only browse r/all or something.

Edit: Yeah, forgot to answer the actual question. All browser cache data is removed. They’re doing it with data on what subs I like alone.

True. And we need to stop bullshit like this.

Imagine if in the future, a company like Tencent managed to buy all the big social medias, or even if all the big social medias teamed up to ban stuff that goes against an agenda.

The future equivalents (or maybe the same as the ones we have now) of Reddit, Instagram, Facebook, Discord, Youtube, Google, etc. could share their moderation tactics and ban anyone that speaks badly about whatever agenda they have.

Then, the Orwellian tech giants could use lightweight AI to detect evasion like I experienced on Reddit. No matter what, where, or how, they would ALWAYS be able to link a user to a banned user within hours or days no matter how little IP or fingerprint similarities they were JUST BY USAGE PATTERNS.

This is fucking creepy and insane. The future we are heading towards does not look bright when it comes to surveillance.

Although I’m reluctant to use Lemmy because of its tiny (but not nonexistent) size, I do think I will create some small communities similar to the ones on Reddit that I miss even if I’m the only one there.

Do you usually get shadow banned or banned with the red banner? If it’s a shadow ban, you might still have a chance because almost all accounts created on VPN get shadow banned as soon as they post

Did you ever get banned again?

Other than appealing on reddit.com/appeal (I think this is automated) and the help form, there is no way to get unbanned.

If we’re talking ban evasion? It’s pretty much impossible, at least if you’re not doing FBI levels of security.

They notice your IP is the same as a banned account? Immediate ban.

You try to get around this with a VPN? Immediate shadow ban. It won’t look like you’re banned but you will be.

They notice your device is the same on the mobile app? Immediate ban.

They notice your browser fingerprint is the same (same monitor setup, fonts installed, extensions, etc etc) on any device a banned account exists on? Immediate ban.

Take all of this into account and move to a different city, replace all your devices, and never have the associated accounts banned accounts on any of your devices again?

It will take weeks or months, but you will be permanently banned again. They used advanced machine algorithms to check if you are in similar small communities, type similarly, make similar posts, or use the account at similar times.

The only way to Reddit ban evade would be to move somewhere completely different, completely replace your device setup, never use an old account again, and never interact with more than 1 or 2 smaller communities on the entire website that you were on with one of your banned accounts.

TL;DR: There is essentially nothing you can do. Reddit ALWAYS will eventually find you. If the appeal doesn’t work (it almost always doesn’t) you will NEVER use Reddit again. It’s super saddening.